Add ztn & trdm maps to DM

[Tubby]

Why not add the old ztn & trdm deathmatch map sets into the Tastyspleen DM cycle?

These are all genuine dm maps which used to feature in past DM servers, and which everyone seemed to enjoy.

A revival of these maps would inject a bit of sorely-needed variety into the DM environment.

I know there are now a few alternative mymap choices currently available in DM, but why let these complete sets of perfectly good dm maps go to waste?

[fdrjk]

goto dm

mymap ztn2dm3

mymap ztn2dm2

omg it works!

[yahoo]

again thanks to Tubby our gaming experience wil greatly improve.. Thanks Tubbs.

[Tubby]

goto dm

mymap ztn2dm3

mymap ztn2dm2

omg it works!

That's just 2 ztn maps which can only be accessed through mymap. I'm suggesting installing the entire ztn and trdm map sets (about 16 in total I think) into the actual Tastyspleen DM cycle.

If you want to see these maps they're on the old Q2 'Extremities' cd which came out a couple of years after Quake 2 itself. They're bundled in there right beside Q2dm1 - 8.

They're all good-sized, well structured maps which were literally made for multiplayer dm. Why not use them?

[Sgt. Dick]

That is what Mutant is for.

[Zeppelin]

goto dm

mymap ztn2dm3

mymap ztn2dm2

omg it works!

That's just 2 ztn maps which can only be accessed through mymap. I'm suggesting installing the entire ztn and trdm map sets (about 16 in total I think) into the actual Tastyspleen DM cycle.

If you want to see these maps they're on the old Q2 'Extremities' cd which came out a couple of years after Quake 2 itself. They're bundled in there right beside Q2dm1 - 8.

They're all good-sized, well structured maps which were literally made for multiplayer dm. Why not use them?

also, ztn2dm2 you can mymap in vanilla, and ztn2dm3 in dm!

[Punk_FAS]

That is what Mutant is for.

Bingo!

[Barton]

Can't argue, can't troll, can't make meaningful posts. So why the fuck are you here?

[Sgt. Dick]

Nailed it. 

[EmeraldTiger]

iirc all of the ztn and trdm maps were included in the NetPack expansion. If id approved of them, then it makes sense to put them on the DM server. (at least those that aren`t already on there, like The Rage or Fury) So why not?

[console]

So why not?

Well..

Hi, the vast majority of players seeking a 'dm' server are only interested in playing classic dm maps (q2dm1 through q2dm8).

I realize it may appear to some that it's just one boring monotonous cycle after another, but in the heyday of Q2 these type of servers were plentiful and populated and as such, have developed a loyal following. This is fairly evident considering dm is one of the most popular, if not the most popular server on tastyspleen today.

I know by now I probably have a reputation for being some crazed, fundamentalist Q2'er who resists any and all change, but there really is no need to have the mymap feature on this type of server. Even match1 feels alien when it's chosen, simply because I can't remember a single dm server that ever included it into the map rotation.

So while I have no doubt these changes were made with the best intentions, I ask if you could please consider just disabling this particular feature from the dm server. There are several different types of servers available if a player begins to bore of a classic dm configuration, and I think it would be better to have these players help populate a custom server than force everyone on a stock server to play their map of choice.

and...

Hi, I haven't been in the game for quite some time due to the lack of the "old classic DM feel". I came back here after like 5 or 6 years of not playing and saw that xquake had turned into a whole set of servers, with an active server that ran q2dm maps and was glad to see it. The fact that there still is one at all is very fortunate for the game.

I suspect there may not be a majority who see it in such black and white terms.

From what I gather since coming back here, the majority does like to play on regular q2dm maps. I've seen the server population drop when those custom maps come on. The numbers and population clearly show that on the spleen server that just runs q2dm maps, there is so much more activity. Server is full a lot.

Personally, I've played this game since it came out. Everything. Used to spend ages on it. I've tried every single type of game play and I have to say the all time favorite would be regular DM, like Kansas style. Aftershock, "Quake II DM" server style. 
If too many changes pile up, the server no longer even feels the same. People quit between rotations instead of playing it all the way through.

Personally, it's true that if both servers were equally populated, I'd probably choose mutant more often than dm.

That right there should tell you everything you need to know. DM is more populated for a reason.
Because it's plain DM.

...and the rest of the thread:

http://tastyspleen.net/quake/forums/index.php?topic=13056.msg141506#msg141506


...in summary, there are so many polarized opinions on this topic, the following could probably apply from both sides:

  Horatio:
  O day and night, but this is wondrous strange!

  Hamlet:
  And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
  There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
  Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.


Nevertheless, 'dm' was founded as a q2dm1-8 server by players who specifically requested such a thing.

And that is where its bias rests.

As others have indicated, mutant is the custom maps server.


Regards,

[yahoo]

Can't argue, can't troll, can't make meaningful posts. So why the fuck are you here?

if hes not here then he would not be a troll

[Sgt. Dick]

DM is the active server (vanilla maybe more), so obviously people like the setup.  Don't mess with a good thing 
Like I said earlier, Mutant was setup for that.

[[BTF]Sigma]

I like that when I type "connect tastyspleen.net" it takes me to the mutant server.

If you want to play on custom maps with others then use the !invite function and see who else wants to join you. Don't go trying to influence what you want onto other people's experience. They are not there to play what you want. They are there to play what's on that server.

Does this concept make sense to you? If it doesn't then you should be perfectly okay with everyone being able to dictate your experience for you.

[Barton]

if hes not here then he would not be a troll

Clearly he's not getting the reaction that he would like, because people here aren't stupid, so it'd be smarter if stopped wasting his time and found a better place that would. I can think of a bunch of websites where people would still rip him a new, even though he's failing something as easy as trolling.