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« on: May 25, 2010, 04:32:25 AM »
America's most hated family

Intriguing BBC documentary gets inside the Westboro baptist clan.

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They call themselves the most hated family in the US and they picket funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq. So what did Louis Theroux make of the Phelpses after three weeks?

In any country, let alone one as patriotic as the US, few actions are as provocative as protesting at a soldier's funeral.

The Phelps family pickets mourners across the country, to mark what it describes as God's revenge on the US for tolerating homosexuality.

Their actions are in the name of the Westboro Baptist Church, which numbers 71 and is headed by "Gramps", preacher Fred Phelps. The church, which is based in Topeka, Kansas, mostly comprises his extended family.

Louis Theroux, himself no stranger to people with unconventional views, says the Phelpses are the most extreme people he has ever met. But in the following interview, he reveals how three weeks with them left him perplexed by their motivation.
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You say that in America the media tries not to give them the coverage, but aren't you just giving them a voice over here?

Viewers will have to see the show and judge for themselves how these people come across. Certainly this group view it as a platform and that's why they agreed to do the show. But I think what we did was something more than that. What we did, I think, was try to understand how a group like this operates; its group psychology, the way the beliefs are passed down the family, and how those beliefs can be held by very urbane, intelligent, professional people. So when you cover a group like this, you take a gamble that you will be able to get under its skin and reveal something about it, and something about us all as people, and I think we managed to do that.
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Do all the children follow this Church?

Gramps, the pastor, who's the head of the whole ministry, he's had about 13 children. But four fell away. You could say that for only four to fall away shows that you can escape from it but then you can also say how amazing that nine of them stayed in it. That there are 71 of them in total is a testament to how powerful an effect your upbringing has on you.

Are the ones who left, ostracised from the whole family now?

Yes. Once you leave, that's it, there's no going back and if you're still in the group you're not allowed to "fellowship" with an ex-member. That's a no-no.
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What else do you tackle in the film?

What we're trying to do in the documentary is look at an activity that is so antisocial, so strange, so futile and at its worst, so cruel, and we're saying "Why? Why do that?", especially when you seem to be, for the most part, kind and sensitive people. We're exploring what is cruelty, trying to explain how something that really does very often just amount to cruelty could be perpetuated and passed down in a family. Why would nice people do such horrible things?


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It strikes me as amazing and sad the degree to which if we teach our kids gibberish, so many of them are likely to go on believing it as adults.


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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 06:34:50 PM »
Cult mentality and the cult of personality. Jim Jones, Jim Bakker, Jerry Fallwell, Joel Osteen, "write me a check, and here's some coolaid for ya".
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 07:45:48 PM »
Cult mentality and the cult of personality. Jim Jones, Jim Bakker, Jerry Fallwell, Joel Osteen, "write me a check, and here's some coolaid for ya".

Jerry Fallwell is about as nutty as it gets, but grouping Jim Jones with a bunch of televangelists is a little bit extreme. It quite literally is like lumping a hitman with Billy Mays just because they both sell something.
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2010, 05:09:47 PM »

It strikes me as amazing and sad the degree to which if we teach our kids gibberish, so many of them are likely to go on believing it as adults.


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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2011, 12:47:22 AM »
Maybe this isn't the way to go about handling this. I think it's in incredibly poor taste to picket at ANY funeral no matter what the circumstances, I don't care if it's Adolf Hitler or Osama bin Laden's funeral. And I believe 100% in freedom of speech. They should still have the right to peaceably assemble, but it should also not inhibit the funeral which is every bit as much of a peaceable assembly. It saddens me that it would be a complete waste of time to picket outside of the Westboro Baptist Church 24/7/365. Otherwise, I'm sure a lot of people would. Hell, I probably would. But I just couldn't bring myself to waste the time out of my life that it would irreplaceably consume to do it. Sometimes living in a "free country" can really suck. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2011, 01:48:08 AM »
Cult mentality and the cult of personality. Jim Jones, Jim Bakker, Jerry Fallwell, Joel Osteen, "write me a check, and here's some coolaid for ya".

didnt anyone notice that their name all start with the letter  J..   like Jesus :P
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2011, 02:57:20 PM »
Idk even know what it is but coool. I am sure they are just panzys about it what ever it is like always.  :rockon:
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2011, 04:17:39 PM »
Yes, there definitely should be a major protest against them should anyone die from their church.  Free spech right, that is what they claim.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2011, 06:35:39 PM »
People just need to ignore those crazies. Their words or messages don't deserve anyone's attention.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2011, 01:22:31 AM »
People just need to ignore those crazies. Their words or messages don't deserve anyone's attention.

I think most people do or at least try to (with the exception of the media, of course, because it's always great for ratings to pump the news full of dramatic bullshit to magnetically draw in the viewers like flies to doo-doo), but when they make a point of traipsing through funerals with signs that say shit like "GOD HATES FAGS", it's a little hard to ignore them. Unfortunately they have attorneys whispering in their ears what they can and can't get away with, so it's hard to prosecute them for anything when they know where the line is at all times. And they can't make being an idiot or an asshole illegal because then the cops would have to arrest themselves.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2011, 04:51:14 AM »
People just need to ignore those crazies. Their words or messages don't deserve anyone's attention.

I think most people do or at least try to (with the exception of the media, of course, because it's always great for ratings to pump the news full of dramatic bullshit to magnetically draw in the viewers like flies to doo-doo)

I agree 101%.

Its all bout the ratings. Either we like it or not majority of the population are influenced by the media. I sometimes have some issues with media freedom.
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2011, 06:03:34 PM »
media freedom.

I wouldn't exactly call the media "free". They are free to report whatever they want so long as it gets the nod from the person in charge. Do you smell the corruption yet? A lot of "reporting" is not instigated by clever journalists like in the good old days who were out beating the bushes looking for the truth. These days everyone calls the media and tells them, "Hey, I've got a great story for you!", then they mention it to their boss, their boss takes it to their boss, they talk it over and make sure it fits with what they want to say, and then they give the journalist the green light to cover it. News is like the entertainment business: they'll put out whatever they can sell the shit out of that is legal to sell.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 12:05:31 AM »
good thing i am not that closed minded like those basturds if the ever burn in hell i will be loling in heaven
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