Wallhacker?

[Arm0r]

pretty sure I saw him on the scoreboard for vanilla earlier today with a FPH in the 100s instead of the 300s he was getting before...

could just be the giant sp maps making it harder to find things to kill, but the average players on vanilla are definitely not better than the ones on dm.

 

well im sure we can agree that the fact AC is forced on em is enough    if he was cheating his fun is now over in that area....

[VaeVictis]

lol... just played some ffa railz... instead of landing crack shots, he landed like no shots lol had a fph in the 100s

but damn.... tomek, tiny, and ashtard bitch way too much :/ just gotta ignore it and keep on owning them i guess...

[Jman-CRU]

Had the chance to spec him again yesterday using AC this time, and I saw lots of beautiful flick/prediction/corner shots. 

In other words: I should have known better than accusing him of using hacks. This time, his gameplay looked pretty familiar - in fact I felt like I was watching myself, hehe!
I bet he's playing with mouse acceleration on and set it to "OS values" (an acceleration that's feeling almost linux-like - with decent OS values, of course), which gives him a very fast and highly responsive mouse and enables him to do the craziest shots... I know it's possible, I experienced it myself. And got accused of cheating, too, hehe... 

I still do see a difference between his gameplay the day I recorded those demos and his gameplay with AC yesterday. And the fact I know that the prediction, corner and flick shots he's taking are possible without using hacks still does not explain how he fragged Dev underwater (my second demo). I frag people in the water and from underwater, too - but usually either by blindly aiming at areas where people are most likely to appear, or by counting or guessing people's movement after they got into or out of the water.
But after all, we all have good and bad days and make lucky shots sometimes. And one lucky shot per map doesn't make a cheat.

Since I didn't like being accused of cheating, I had better taken my own advice and thought twice instead of doing the same to you, Tomek. I see I was wrong, and I apologize!     

[[BTF]Sigma]

So did he have to change clients because of the forced ac?

[VaeVictis]

But after all, we all have good and bad days and make lucky shots sometimes. And one lucky shot per map doesn't make a cheat.

i still do believe he was hacking, i never said he is a TERRIBLE player, anyone is capable of landing rail shots... i just believed he was wall hacking

maybe he was just getting VERY lucky vs me the first time i played him, but after ac was forced, the prediction shots completely went away compared to before and it was down to his high ping actually having to aim which didnt quite stack up

So did he have to change clients because of the forced ac?

he shouldnt have had to, he was running egl before hand, he may have had to reinstall egl though if he was using a renderer other than egl's default, if he switched clients that just looks even more suspicious to me honestly

[|iR|Focalor]

I think I saw him on vanilla yesterday using AC and EGL. It's weird, you can sometimes tell who's using EGL by the way they spin quickly. I dunno if EGL has some different kind of mouse movement, but I've always seen MR TUROKS/El Champ{KEA} do the same thing, almost like a pirouette player movement to get the mouse back into a position to track someone easier.

[Whirlingdervish]

^ that would be the fucked up mouse accel I was talking about. EGL is horrible when it comes to accurate flick shots.

BTW, just watched tomek on railz and he is NOT playing the same as he was.

[09:53] <uvula> (railz) -------------name---fph---minutes---frags---
[09:53] <uvula> (railz)              matt   416      3.03      21
[09:54] <uvula> (railz)   QuickToDie{KEA}   289      7.88      38
[09:54] <uvula> (railz)             Er!c@   228      6.06      23
[09:54] <uvula> (railz)             tomek   202     11.90      40
[09:54] <uvula> (railz)             Torgo   162     11.85      32
[09:54] <uvula> (railz) tomek: pwnt

That was him trying. I demo'd a bit of it too, just to show how his aim is NOT what it was.
Now he still can't hit shit in the open (as vae mentioned), but he's also not making the corner shots that he was hitting with ridiculous consistency before..

I've seen him play a couple times now, since forced AC, and he's nowhere near as good. Definitely not the caliber of player that makes blind underwater shots and somehow beats Devious to a fraglimit with 5+ times the ping

He hopped on railz last night, switched to the name "test" and got swiftly raped off too.
I was fooling around yet I think he only managed to get a single kill on me.
Somewhere right around the time I hit a triple kill on KM he just up and left.

Armor is right tho. Either way, the party is over. 

[icelee123]

^ that would be the fucked up mouse accel I was talking about. EGL is horrible when it comes to accurate flick shots.

BTW, just watched tomek on railz and he is NOT playing the same as he was.

[09:53] <uvula> (railz) -------------name---fph---minutes---frags---
[09:53] <uvula> (railz)              matt   416      3.03      21
[09:54] <uvula> (railz)   QuickToDie{KEA}   289      7.88      38
[09:54] <uvula> (railz)             Er!c@   228      6.06      23
[09:54] <uvula> (railz)             tomek   202     11.90      40
[09:54] <uvula> (railz)             Torgo   162     11.85      32
[09:54] <uvula> (railz) tomek: pwnt

That was him trying. I demo'd a bit of it too, just to show how his aim is NOT what it was.
Now he still can't hit shit in the open (as vae mentioned), but he's also not making the corner shots that he was hitting with ridiculous consistency before..

I've seen him play a couple times now, since forced AC, and he's nowhere near as good. Definitely not the caliber of player that makes blind underwater shots and somehow beats Devious to a fraglimit with 5+ times the ping

He hopped on railz last night, switched to the name "test" and got swiftly raped off too.
I was fooling around yet I think he only managed to get a single kill on me.
Somewhere right around the time I hit a triple kill on KM he just up and left.

Armor is right tho. Either way, the party is over. 

lol really? that was me playing with 400 ping+ you really are a scrub it seems like its only you and vae that are crusading against me, everyone else is just laughing at you.

[Whirlingdervish]

actually when I made the demo you were pinging around 350.

The difference between 350ms and 300ms is negligible. Supposedly you are used to your high ping and you've played with it for 10 years and you can just own players in the USA with a 300+ ping all the time. Funny, it doesn't seem to be happening now with a less than 1/6th change in your ping?

The difference in your play between NO AC and AC is not negligible.

You blow now. You haven't broken 300 fph since you got forced AC on any server, afaik.
You can't make railgun corner shots worth shit, much less consecutive ones as you were shown to be doing before.

BTW, both vae and I can roast your ass at insta like a shrimp on the barbie , so keep the scrub comments to yourself.


If you're legit, you are the most inconsistent player I've ever seen.

Enjoy the forced AC. 

[icelee123]

actually when I made the demo you were pinging around 350.

The difference between 350ms and 300ms is negligible. Supposedly you are used to your high ping and you've played with it for 10 years and you can just own players in the USA with a 300+ ping all the time. Funny, it doesn't seem to be happening now with a less than 1/6th change in your ping?

The difference in your play between NO AC and AC is not negligible.

You blow now. You haven't broken 300 fph since you got forced AC on any server, afaik.
You can't make railgun corner shots worth shit, much less consecutive ones as you were shown to be doing before.

BTW, both vae and I can roast your ass at insta like a shrimp on the barbie , so keep the scrub comments to yourself.


If you're legit, you are the most inconsistent player I've ever seen.

I was pinging 260 consistently on tastyslpeen servers, just then I was pinging 350-410+ , to me an extra 100 ping makes a lot of difference. Please get your facts straight before rambling about crap, others that were playing me can verify this.

I wasnt going to say anything but I should put you in your place now. Seeing as you have no idea the type of game-play and style I accompany than you have no right whatsoever to judge me.

Do you really think I play every game to win and get HIGH FPH? The fact that you are judging whether I hack or not purely based on FPH shows how ignorant you are. 99% of the time I play quake2 I mess around, I don't take this game seriously as you do, crying that a high pinger defeated you in a couple maps. Even before AC was forced on me I rarely got 300 FPH cause I don't give a damn about that. Look what everyone else is saying about me in this thread, they have played me for longer durations and all confirm I still play the same. The evidence is overwhelming on my part, and VAE is just a little kid full of shit. You are basing your entire arguments on a few games where I don't do shit but throw HG's around and AFK. 

[Whirlingdervish]

well since you've decided to keep it up, I'm not done.

I should put you in your place now.

No you should STFU and go play.

The fact that you are judging whether I hack or not purely based on FPH shows how ignorant you are.

Actually I was judging you based on the demos I've seen posted here that were very suspect.
The fact that you would use the word "purely" in that sentence to try to gloss over the demos that were the basis for everyone's claims shows how ignorant you are.

99% of the time I play quake2 I mess around, I don't take this game seriously as you do, crying that a high pinger defeated you in a couple maps.

You've never beaten me on any server. I'm not Devious. Try reading.
I wouldn't care if you had beaten me, unless of course it looked like you weren't legit.
oh wait..

Look what everyone else is saying about me in this thread, they have played me for longer durations and all confirm I still play the same. The evidence is overwhelming on my part, and VAE is just a little kid full of shit.

You have exactly 0 evidence other than 2 people effectively saying "Ive seen him play since he knew we were watching and he's still able to kill things, kinda". Perhaps you meant underwhelming?

Those 2 accounts are not even 100% on your side:

I still do see a difference between his gameplay the day I recorded those demos and his gameplay with AC yesterday

You have one person who said "he's playing the same", one person who says you are still able to make some tough shots sometimes, and another (me) saying you aren't making the same amount of shots that you were and providing a demo that shows you moving the same, but aiming far worse.

You are basing your entire arguments on a few games where I don't do shit but throw HG's around and AFK.

I thought my arguments were based solely on FPH? which is it?
For the record those "few games" showed you getting a high FPH while getting about 4 direct hit nades in a row, a bunch of others and many blind rg shots. They also show you making air rails the likes of which I haven't seen you hit since you got forced AC.

Just look at the demo on railz. As can be seen by watching it, you were moving around the whole time and trying to make shots, yet you got like one double kill on some opponents who were standing stock still after running into each other, and the rest were lucky spam as opposed to the consistent railgun plinking that was going on in your other demos where you "weren't trying".

 

If you're legit, you are the most inconsistent player I've ever seen.

Enjoy the forced AC.  

[Barton]

That was probably me talking to early. I only played him on one map where he gave me some problems, but he never got any ridiculous shots on me or anyone. He still had a decent FPH compared to everyone else on that game. This was immediately after he had AC forced on him.

I want to see aclist on this guy if he tries any funky stuff again.

[icelee123]

The reason I posted was not to enlighten you or expect you to understand anything because those expectations are too high. You are tainting my reputation based on shit you don't understand.

That demo you just recently posted proves everything about how your brain is limited to see only what you want to see. Do you think you could even land one rail with 350-400+ ping? Scrub up 40 kills in 12 minutes? Half that time it was a 1v1; oh did I mentioned my ping was jumping from 350-400+? Opposed to my regular 260?.

Not consistent at all to the demo's in DM of course when I have 260 ping in closed maps. Hence; you're basing other demos and trying to compare them when I just previously stated that  my game-play is not generic. The way I play specific mods are completely different even when it's the same mod. Railz is more open maps and no spam; so I use different game-play tactics, where as DM is more closed so I use more controllable/slack game-play.  

The original people that thought I was hacking have taken their words back; except for you and VAE (VAE is a child that believes what he wants to believe, his credibility doesn't go too far anyway so that doesn't bother me.). The rest have said I still hit rails on corners and etc, only doubt is what you are forcing upon them. There are plently of other people on the server that think/know that I do not hack.

So you base your arguments on FPH and demo's that don't prove anything, I should say, sorry for my grammar it is quite late here. You have seen a total of what? A total of 20 minutes of my game-play perhaps through demo's when AC was not forced? And you jump onto the servers for a few minutes, make a random demo and then say LOOK HES NOT THE SAME!! CHEATER!! How long have you specced me in game when I'm not pinging 350-400+ or afking throwing nades or crouching and doing stupid shit? Plenty of people have played me since AC was forced and you can go ask them all what they think cause they will all just say the same shit.

You still have no proof, it's your word against mine. You can keep making your speculations and assumptions; hey wait.. I have an idea, why don't I somehow force my ping to reach 500's then you can make a demo of me again and say how inconsistent I am playing railz when you have demos of me playing DM with 260 ping completely DIFFERENT!

[|iR|Focalor]

Scrub? That's so 2002. Use more fuck and shit words next time.

[|iR|Focalor]

Oh, and PS...

Why the fuck do you care? Is there anything to debate? It's not like anything on this messageboard ever prompted your attention before. Why should the "inaccurate" opinion of a few people matter? I haven't noticed droves of people on the servers following you around and giving you a hard time.