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Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« on: April 08, 2010, 05:21:15 AM »
We've all been plagued by the infamous mouse acceleration bug from windows 2000/xp/vista/7 and there's a myriad of fixes for it out there, some work better than others.  They all deal with removing acceleration completely with anir's doing it completely at the driver level (win32k.sys) as discussed here:

http://razerblueprints.net/index.php/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,99/action,printpage/topic,4788.0/

One thing I haven't seen discussed as much is being able to modify the acceleration curve to your liking.  Ever since windows XP came out, I had the same complaint about the acceleration as everybody, but none of the fixes did what I wanted.  I found I preferred the predictable simple acceleration that Windows 2000 offered.  I tried doing various things like copy win32k.sys from windows 2000 to XP but it didn't fix it and broke other things like copy/paste function.  I eventually gave up and just stuck with Win2k in the beginning since everything compatible with XP was also compatible with Win2kPro.  Well, now things have changed.  I find myself dual booting just to play Quake2 with Win2k while using XP partition to run programs that wont in 2k.  Now, it's even more problematic that new hardware and drivers aren't compatible anymore.  I can't even do it on my laptop since driver support is non-existant for Win2k.  It looks like I'll be forced to keep my old PC with outdated hardware if I choose to continue playing Q2 with the settings I prefer.  Call me picky and stubborn but that's just how it is with me.

How the "ballistics" of the mouse acceleration are described better here while comparing the different OSes.  I'm just hoping maybe by now somebody's figured out what the settings of Win2k mouse are and how I could copy them exactly to another OS like XP or even Debian or Ubuntu.

http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive/WinXP/microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics/2006-05/msg00167.html
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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 05:33:16 AM »
I dunno,  but my mouse is smooth.  My SERIOUS GAMER friend complimented my mouse setup just pulling up his facebook over here. (XP Pro)

Logitech mx518,  setpoint has a setting to disable the acceleration.
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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 05:45:25 AM »
The Logitech settings are here. Be sure you set acceleration to "none" as in the first screenshot and use "setpoint implementation" as shown in the second :) .
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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 05:53:30 AM »
my mouse has no accel either.  I have a Razor.  I'm betting those of us with non-windows mouse drivers don't have the issue & those who let windows handle everything do.
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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2010, 06:14:09 AM »
Ya, I know it's easy to remove it all completely.  Just using Debian solves that too.  I kind of wanted to copy the accel settings from windows 2000 over to XP.  Weird I know, but it's just what I'm used to.  I find with no accel, I can't seem to find the balance from it being too sensitive (fast) and having to pick up the mouse constantly to move it doing 180/360s and stuff.
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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 07:24:30 AM »

A good software product, which gamers would BUY would be a mouse toolkit which would levelset mouse speed profile across OSes and/or across games.  I want my Q2 to play the same on every box, at every resolution, on every OS.

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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2010, 08:43:02 AM »
The Razon, Logisys & MS gaming mice store that stuff in the mouse I think.  I know I've never had mouse accel with my razor on Windows or Linux.
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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2010, 07:41:21 PM »
Anybody know if the setpoint software works with the mx510?  I'm using windows xp's default mouse driver I believe.  I'm using the USB hz OC'er (to 500hz), but I'm unsure if mouseaccel is on or not.  Can't you turn it off in r1q2 anyway?
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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2010, 12:44:24 AM »
Anybody know if the setpoint software works with the mx510?  I'm using windows xp's default mouse driver I believe.  I'm using the USB hz OC'er (to 500hz), but I'm unsure if mouseaccel is on or not.  Can't you turn it off in r1q2 anyway?

in r1q2 m_fixaccel "1"

MX 510

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Re: Mouse acceleration differences in OSes
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2010, 04:12:03 AM »
Yeah.... I'm pretty sure most of us know those settings.  But how would you go about putting the Win2k mouse ballistics in XP or another OS?
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