Quake 2 King Of The Hill Event: Map Pool *out dated*

[VaeVictis]

<TastyCast> Too many steps for me, I think a focused list is the way to go.
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<TastyCast> Well, I'm going to argue that koth is primarily about getting better at duels.
<Venova> yeah
<TastyCast> If the map selection pool is too big, it's hard to focus on maps.
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<TastyCast> So yes, q2 has the strengh of a bajillion maps - is koth necessarrily the best place to display them?
<TastyCast> Possibly not.

i just cut that from irc talking to jehar about it... you have to remember that the event is casted live also and the more maps possible just makes it hard on him

[[BTF]Jehar]

I think there's a lot of ideas here on what KOTH is.

The core of it is duels, yes, but the key thing is that the combination of it's openness and it's coverage means that Joe Shmoe can enter the server, have a decent chance of winning, and either way get some coaching in the way of commentary. This gives Joe a place to practice duels in a structured way without eating dirt in a tournament. Considering this, I'd say that a smaller (though by no means small) list of maps would give more of a focused slant to players, especially new ones.

Hypothetically, it's hard to coach a player on a specific map if it only gets called once in a blue moon. A smaller map list really emphasizes the strategies needed in those maps.

So, I'm bracing for flames here, but I'd say that a definite map list would give new players extra incentive, because they'll become familiar faster.

And koth, at it's core, is about bringing in new players.

[adz1La]

rawrrrrrrrrr

[SquareHimself]

Blood run is ztndm3q2.

I'm all for a map pool. Not only does it help make the map choices a little more reasonable, but we can all have the maps downloaded ahead of time to prevent people from calling a map Jehar/they/someoneelse doesn't have (I did that >.<).

[peewee_RotA]

Brand new duel map from Draxi a.k.a. Skeletor

draxiduel2
http://kmlt88.net/maps/draxiduel2.rar


For people looking to learn this map, here are some jumps that Draxi himself recorded upon request.
http://kmlt88.net/Q2/dd2_jumps.dm2

Hopefully this is enough notice for tomorrow night. If not we can do the following week. 

[console]

Brand new duel map from Draxi a.k.a. Skeletor

draxiduel2

Thanks to X7 for uploading it.  It's available now on nadl for KOTH.

[Slayer :D]

Heh.... I just saw this thread about weird maps getting picked and I have to say that pretty much any map should be allowed (barring dumb maps like railgunalley or ridiculously large maps like sewer64). It does give us newbs a chance to get a few frags in if the experienced TDM player isn't too knowledgeable about the map. I purposely avoided ztn2dm3, q2dm1, q2dm8, and ztn2dm1 just because they are all well known. (q2dm8 also has the problem of the power shield.) Thus I played ma5 on q2dm3. It was a little more fun to get the rare frag then just get owned 20 to 0. Just my opinion.

-Eternity

[VaeVictis]

the map list i came up with isnt used so much now rotten rose kinda took over cause i was gettin shot down by the comunity even though jehar needed a map list, the way it works now is mostly just if jehar thinks the map is ok to duel then you have to play it lol

the map list is just for more structure, i was trying to expand it with suggestions from the comunity to include enough maps for people to do just that, call a map they can have the advantage on and still have fun dueling

the night really runs smoother when no one calls any stupid maps, and it makes the stream more enjoyable, but this map list from this thread is no longer used so sorry for the confusion

i should edit my first post saying this map list is out dated now

[peewee_RotA]

the map list i came up with isnt used so much now rotten rose kinda took over cause i was gettin shot down by the comunity even though jehar needed a map list, the way it works now is mostly just if jehar thinks the map is ok to duel then you have to play it lol

I'm satisfied with having a set list but being allowed to add to it if a map is announced here and made available during the week before the event. There are so many new duel maps that are built with very strong concepts, that are ignored for the sake of the traditional ones.

Now calling darkfun10 was my fault, I told skies to do it. I wasn't familiar with him as a player, only as a mapper, so I wanted him to have the map knowledge advantage to make it more interesting.