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« on: July 11, 2009, 12:34:23 AM »
Greetings,

Looks like the 2006 documentary movie Jesus Camp is available on youtube in nine parts.

1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujS6URPcSUc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql0gKVhC-7M
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExlFnLx_YVE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4MFjJbfOKU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niGRvqKm2X4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I79gr7mpVcI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrRxKnGvHLc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBDcRtv5f88
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJkVkly_1oc

I still have it on my DVR, recorded over a year ago, May 20, 2008 on the "BIO" channel.  Watched it again a couple days ago w/ my wife, who had not seen it.  Despite current events being distanced somewhat (Sandra Day O'Connor resigning, Samuel Alito nominated as a replacement) - it felt like major portions of the film were still relevant.

And there are some eye-rolling moments, as it was filmed right before Ted Haggard was busted soliciting sex and meth from a male prostitute, so it's kind of amazing seeing Haggard preaching right into the camera about "core values" and biblical statutes against homosexuality.

Anyway... dunno how long the above links will be around...  one drawback at the very end, is the movie ends with the song Spirit in the Sky, which has apparently been excised from the youtube version..................

Anyway...

Worth a view, imho, if you haven't seen it...

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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 01:27:26 AM »
one drawback at the very end, is the movie ends with the song Spirit in the Sky, which has apparently been excised from the youtube version..................

The song in question can be heard here:

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Spirit_in_the_Sky/10700800

I purchased it here for $0.99 (but whatever...)


http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-In-The-Sky/dp/B000Z1GR9C

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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 10:41:25 AM »
Militant Christianity is as evil as Radical Islam. Both are responsible for the war in the "Holy Land" and the Crusades that devastated civilization in Europe. Delusional psychosis is contagious, it's spread by mouth.
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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 09:06:28 PM »


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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 10:43:09 PM »
I sure hope he says yes

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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 10:54:18 PM »
Focalor, are you a Satanist? Honestly answer this question, and please don't give me some joking off-the-wall remark typical of your style of humor. Not that I don't find your humor hilarious, especially the witty remarks in response to some obnoxious flaming forum trolls; but, seriously, are you a Satanist?

According to me and the red card, Yes.

My spidey senses are tingling, is a pigeonhole approaching? I can't wait for someone to educate me about my own religion. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2009, 11:24:51 AM »
Oh no! Focalor is a Satanist! :lolsign: Pray to your Father, the Father of Lies, and see if he can rescue you from anything.

When you meet the devil in Hell, shoot the BFG at him for me, cause I'll be in heaven. :badgrin: :evilgrin:

Yeah. Because Jesus made a habit of ridiculing and mocking the Romans and their gods, right? Great testimony you have there. It's okay,...

...I FORGIVE YOU!

And apparently you're not aware of what Satanism really is. I don't pray to any god or devil. What you are describing is called "Christian inversionism", not Satanism. You should pick up a copy of the Satanic Bible and read it some time, at least for educational purposes. After all, I've read your bible, I know what your book says. It also sounds as though you believe that Hell is nothing but a joke... in which case ...I guess we agree on ONE thing. Maybe you're more Satanic than you thought.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2009, 11:30:41 AM »
I have to admit I find LaVey's tenets pretty intriguing. I'd be willing to bet many, many people live by them, though they'd be loathed to admit it, simply because of a name.
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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2009, 02:31:54 PM »
I'd think if you didn't worship any satan like being, satanism would pretty much be hedonism
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2009, 02:41:00 PM »
Well said.
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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2009, 03:34:32 PM »
I'd think if you didn't worship any satan like being, satanism would pretty much be hedonism

Partially dead-on correct. As the first of the Nine Satanic Statements reads, "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!" That statement was further expounded upon in other essays by Dr. LaVey. It does NOT mean "do whatever you want and fuck all concern for everything else." So long as your pursuit of happiness is not a detriment to others or yourself. Hedonism with rational self-interest.
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2009, 03:43:38 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2009, 04:47:46 PM »
Partially dead-on correct.

Are you a politician? :)
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Re: Jesus Camp
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »
I tend to avoid religious discussions because my studies in theology are limited.

Oh. So you're a fucking idiot when it comes to religion?

However,

Aw shit. But THAT isn't going to stop you from inserting your completely ignorant point of view on the subject, is it?

I did read something when i was younger which completely blew my mind. And that was the summa theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas.



I think Richard Dawkins can paint a nice rosy picture denying the existence of God to laymen by using big scientific words and arguements stemming from violations of thermodynamics. However, things get much more interesting when you dive deeper and deeper into higher levels of mathematics where you're not just dealing with numbers and proofs but really just ideas and abstractions. And mathematics is the only language that our world speaks. Things like physical constants, irrational numbers, grappling with different sizes of infinity, higher dimensions (the escher painting - how do 2 dimensional beings percieve 3 dimensional shapes? so on and so fourth) and of course things like Eulers Identity (e^i*pi+1=0) which is proof that something like that just doesn't "happen". Whatever evolution is, it has a very high level of intelligence.


Some of my favorite people in history have been mystics. Great People like St.Francis and Padre Pio that not only had stigmatism but also abilities beyond any ordinary human being. These are people who had a very high devotion to God. It's even said that Padre Pio could bi-locate. And then you look at what Satan gives to his followers, faglor for instance, his only ability being bi-sexual.    :D

Does any of this type of haughty pontificating impress anyone you know who is obviously stupider than you? It only appears to me as though you're trying to blind people with bullshit. You accuse a man like Richard Dawkins of using lofty language to deny the existence of God, but with all of the words you just shit out at us, you failed to make any point whatsoever. At least Dawkins had a clear fucking objective. You're just... what the fuck are you doing?
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2009, 05:03:31 PM »
things get much more interesting when you dive deeper and deeper into higher levels of mathematics where you're not just dealing with numbers and proofs but really just ideas and abstractions. And mathematics is the only language that our world speaks. Things like physical constants, irrational numbers, grappling with different sizes of infinity, higher dimensions (the escher painting - how do 2 dimensional beings percieve 3 dimensional shapes? so on and so fourth) and of course things like Eulers Identity (e^i*pi+1=0) which is proof that something like that just doesn't "happen".

As an aside, I suspect you might enjoy this classic lecture series by Richard Feynman:

The Messenger Lectures: Dr. Richard Feynman, 1964

For example, lecture #2, The Relation of Mathematics and Physics.  ...But lecture #1 is great, too, because it explains how we got there.

These lectures were given the year before Feynman won the Nobel prize in physics for contributions to the development of quantum electrodynamics.



Whatever evolution is, it has a very high level of intelligence.

Evolution has been described as an intelligent process.  What it has, is a very high level of time. ;)


Some of my favorite people in history have been mystics. Great People like St.Francis and Padre Pio that not only had stigmatism but also abilities beyond any ordinary human being. These are people who had a very high devotion to God. It's even said that Padre Pio could bi-locate.

There are problems, though, with even contemporaneous eye-witness accounts of "miracles".  And "abilities beyond any ordinary human being."

Running short of time today, pardon the excessive quoting, but Sam Harris puts this in context very nicely:

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Consider Christianity. The entire doctrine is predicated on the idea that the gospel account of the miracles of Jesus is true. This is why people believe Jesus was a son of God, divine, and so forth.

This textual claim is problematic because everyone acknowledges that the Gospels follow Jesus' ministry by decades and there is no extra-biblical account of his miracles.

But the truth is quite a bit worse than that.

The truth is that even if we had multiple contemporaneous eyewitness accounts of the miracles of Jesus it still would not provide sufficient basis to believe that these events actually occurred.

Why not?

Well, the problem is that first-hand reports of miracles are quite common even in the 21st-century. At this point I have met literally hundreds of Western-educated men and women who think that their favorite Hindu or Buddhist guru has magic powers. The powers ascribed to these gurus are every bit as outlandish as those ascribed to Jesus.

I actually remain open to evidence of such powers.

But the fact is that people who tell these stories desperately want to believe them.

To my knowledge, all lack the kind of corroborating evidence we should require before believing that nature's laws have been abrogated in this way; and people who believe these stories show an uncanny reluctance to look for non-miraculous causes.

But it remains a fact that yogis and mystics are said to be walking on water and raising the dead and flying without the aid of technology, materializing objects, reading minds, foretelling the future.

Right now, in fact, all of these powers have been ascribed to Satya Sai Baba, the South Indian guru, by an uncountable number of eyewitnesses. He even claims to have been born of a virgin, which is not all that uncommon a claim in the history of religion or in history generally.

Genghis Khan, supposedly, was born of a virgin, as was Alexander. Apparently parthenogenesis doesn't guarantee that you're going to turn the other cheek.

But Satya Sai Baba is not a fringe figure. He is not the David Koresh of Hinduism. His followers threw a birthday party for him recently and a million people showed up. So there are vast numbers of people who believe he is a living god.

You can even watch his miracles on YouTube. Prepare to be underwhelmed. It's true that he has an Afro of sufficient diameter as to suggest a total detachment from the opinions of his fellow human beings but I'm not sure this is reason enough to worship him in any case.

So consider, as though for the first time, the foundational claim of Christianity. The claim is this—that miracle stories of a sort that today surround a person like Satya Sai Baba become especially compelling when you set them in the pre-scientific religious context of the first century Roman Empire decades after their supposed occurrence.

We have Satya Sai Baba's miracle stories attested to by thousands upon thousands of living eyewitnesses and they don't even merit an hour on the Discovery Channel. But you place a few miracle stories in some ancient books and half the people on this earth think it a legitimate project to organize their lives around them.

Does anyone else see a problem with that?


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Tom Servo

November 04, 2024, 05:05:24 PM
The Joe Rogan Experience episode 223 that dropped a couple hours ago with Musk, they're talking about Quake lol.
 

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November 04, 2024, 03:37:55 PM
Stay cozy folks.

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Tom Servo

October 11, 2024, 03:35:36 PM
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October 10, 2024, 12:19:41 PM
I don't worship the devil. Jesus is Lord, friend. He died for your sins. He will forgive you if you just ask.
 

rikwad

October 09, 2024, 07:57:21 PM
Sorry, I couldn't resist my inner asshole.

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