you be the judge

[juiCy]

here in railz earlier was this guy "jaycal"

something seemed very fishy about him.
its was obvious he didnt know wtf he was doing, so i called him out on botting
heres a demo from my pov against him... i tried observing him but he seemed to have noticed i was trying to demo him in the act.
idk guys, you be the judge
here it is

[Whirlingdervish]

I thought that guy looked like BS too. He was on railz earlier under the name "qiiqii".
Same ping, same model/skin.

He can't move for shit, or aim, but somehow he was gettin the fraglimit?


In my demo you'll notice the only time he hits something, hes standing still, he quickly flicks the xhair across a small FOV and it magically stops at the right spot. Once I mention that I'm demoing him, he REALLY can't hit shit.

[UUD-40]

I'll rape him 1v1 railz while you two record demos...   

[|iR|Focalor]

I see nothing other than a lot of strange corner shots. I guess it would be kinda hard to tell anyway. Judging from that demo in slow-mo, it almost appeared to me as though YOU were using a bot with a low FOV. But you're using AC. In other words, if someone WAS using a bot with a low FOV in instagib... I guess I'd be the wrong guy to ask for an opinion.

[Whirlingdervish]

I think the thing that got my attention is that he occasionally makes shots that are well beyond his skill level (based on his lack of any sort of fluid movement or mouse control) but misses very easy straight ones repeatedly because he's swinging the xhair thru a small fov back and forth hoping the bot will fix it, instead of actually leading/aiming.

In the demo I posted there is one where he frags an opponent who's below him and running away on the mid-level catwalk above the lava and he makes the shot in a split second without leading the guy that up until then he could not see.
(he shows little sound knowledge if any to make up for this)

If you compare that one good shot, to the hundred horrible ones that he's standing still for and sees the enemy standing there and still misses, you may see what I mean.


Ninco's demo just reaffirms what I thought, because even with all that jumping around, ninco's not that easy to hit even for someone who plays railz every day. This guy was only making those "lucky" corners and the occasional air shots that seemed well beyond what he should be capable of and I'd expect the exact opposite behavior if he was legit.

[juiCy]

I think the thing that got my attention is that he occasionally makes shots that are well beyond his skill level (based on his lack of any sort of fluid movement or mouse control) but misses very easy straight ones repeatedly because he's swinging the xhair thru a small fov back and forth hoping the bot will fix it, instead of actually leading/aiming.

exactly!

and as soon as i threw it out there that he was cheating he started playing more dumbly -
sporatic shots here and there, swinging the mouse every which way, any means to make it look as if he wasnt cheating.
there was also a point, not in the demo, where he literally 180 and nailed a guy, i mean not impossible but for a player of that stature 
i knew i wasnt the only one who saw it. 

[[BTF] Reflex]

I had the same feeling from a few shots, like wondering who it was aliasing..  but then in close quarters he was a breeze to fool/hit and I'm like wtf?  

[|iR|Focalor]

I didn't watch the demo that Derv posted yet, but I did record this interesting demo a while ago at railz. After seeing this, yeah, looks WAY fishy to me, and I notice a little bit of the same behavior that I noticed in nincompoops demo too. Namely, there's TONS of shots he could've taken and missed or made, but he just chooses NOT to fire for some reason. And in this one, he rarely misses any of the shots he does decide to take.

[Whirlingdervish]

LOL

yeah it's a bit more obvious in your demo.

he's flailing and hitting people he hasnt seen yet, and still running around like a newb with his head cut off.
looks like he finally figured out his settings after all day of hacking on the servers.

[|iR|Focalor]

beepbeepbeep... This just in to the tastyspleen newsdesk. Jaycal is confirmed to be using a ratbot.

DaFoneMen was railed by :iR:Smitty
QIIQII: MZ exec ratbot.exe
QIIQII disconnected
Katsumoto was railed by FZR
QIIQII entered the game
anticheat QIIQII is not using anticheat.
Darkstar was railed by FZR
DaFoneMen was railed by :iR:Smitty
DaFoneMen was railed by Katsumoto

And LOL @ Hayseed for his remark earlier on railz about "typical eom, accusing everyone of cheating." Pay attention, man.

It was really ridiculous right before an admin ran the scan. The map was the gym one, and he was bunny hopping everywhere in a straight line and nailing people with damn near every shot.

Anyone else notice this particular trend here lately with cheaters? It's like they roll in packs. When one gets found, it seems like there's been one or two more on the same day as well.

[juiCy]

well for further proof here's another demo in the railz server,
he's being a little more discreet this time but there's really no denying it,
the way he flails his mouse and moves, typical newcomer, no way hes getting shots like this

 

  

[Whirlingdervish]

 

[juiCy]

 

[console]

Another damned dynamic IP...

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  playername|server|          ip|                                  hostname|         first_seen| last_seen|times_seen
       qiiqii| railz|75.53.96.215|adsl-75-53-96-215.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-14 17:20:35|2 days ago|         3
       jaycal| railz|75.53.96.215|adsl-75-53-96-215.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-14 16:35:49|2 days ago|         8
victorpatrick| railz|75.53.96.215|adsl-75-53-96-215.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-14 18:08:58|2 days ago|         4
Angelic_Beast| railz|75.53.96.215|adsl-75-53-96-215.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-14 18:21:45|2 days ago|        10

   playername| server|           ip|                                   hostname|         first_seen|     last_seen|times_seen
       jaycal|vanilla|76.200.92.187|adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-17 00:06:58|85 minutes ago|         2
       qiiqii|  railz|76.200.92.187|adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-16 23:02:54|79 minutes ago|         5
Angelic_Beast|  railz|76.200.92.187|adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-16 23:02:54|61 minutes ago|        10
       JAYCAL|  railz|76.200.92.187|adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-17 00:17:26|38 minutes ago|         7
       jaycal|  railz|76.200.92.187|adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-16 23:53:08|21 minutes ago|         8
       QIIQII|  railz|76.200.92.187|adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-17 00:58:59|20 minutes ago|        11
     Darkstar|  railz|76.200.92.187|adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-16 23:59:48|20 minutes ago|        14
Angelic_Beast|     dm|76.200.92.187|adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-17 01:28:34| 8 minutes ago|         1

playername| server|            ip|                                    hostname|         first_seen|     last_seen|times_seen
    jaycal|  railz|76.203.159.151|adsl-76-203-159-151.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-05 07:59:28|   11 days ago|         1
    jaycal|  railz|76.205.233.173|adsl-76-205-233-173.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-10 23:48:59|    6 days ago|         2
    jaycal|  railz|76.203.156.132|adsl-76-203-156-132.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-11 06:41:08|    5 days ago|         4
    jaycal|vanilla|76.205.234.232|adsl-76-205-234-232.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-11 19:48:14|    5 days ago|         2
    jaycal|vanilla|  75.53.105.31|  adsl-75-53-105-31.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-14 06:37:06|    2 days ago|         2
    jaycal|  railz|  75.53.105.31|  adsl-75-53-105-31.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-14 06:30:56|    2 days ago|         8
    jaycal|  railz|  75.53.96.215|  adsl-75-53-96-215.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-14 16:35:49|    2 days ago|         8
    jaycal|  railz| 75.53.104.205| adsl-75-53-104-205.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-15 14:46:57|  34 hours ago|         9
    jaycal|vanilla| 76.200.92.187| adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-17 00:06:58|86 minutes ago|         2
    JAYCAL|  railz| 76.200.92.187| adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-17 00:17:26|39 minutes ago|         7
    jaycal|  railz| 76.200.92.187| adsl-76-200-92-187.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net|2009-02-16 23:53:08|23 minutes ago|         8

Ugh.

Going to have to do a dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net hostmask ban on that one... 

[console]

BANT.