Q2advance

[Bleach]

WHAT? is there no difference between a regular pope hat and a nifty evil pope hat?

sheesh.. what a ripoff

[evilpope]

my pic:

[Art]

Yet another so called anti-cheat client to suspect. I'd heard about the wallhack, but not the aimbot and timers. I'd like to hear others confirmation on this.

the on screen item timers were added in like version .03 or .04 and were voted on by the people at q2players.org, the issue of them being cheats has been argued over and over but I can tell you that the main reason ep included them was to even the playing field between people who use audio timers and people who don't, either because they don't like them or don't understand how they work. this wasn't included to be a cheat, just to make things somewhat even.

I should have clarified that I don't consider timers a cheat since I was under the impression they can be made using the any ID client version prior to 3.21. I've not made or used a timer myself and was curious as to if the ones y'all use are automaticaly started. In other words, do they listen for the event of a pu sound and then automatically start ? or do you manualy start them with a binded key when YOU hear the pu sound.  It's possible that I just don't know how they work, period.

[JustAGuy]

UDP connections Q2 relays information to and from the clients by means of UDP packets. IE: player position, items wepaons and ect... The Original Q2 only a single connect was made to a port.  While running the q2advance client I preformed a udp/tcp view and the results were that the q2advance had established to connections both UDP. This either happens when a person is connected thru a proxie or when using a aimbot. The aimbot intercepts incomming packets and uses them to aim and then passes them to the client.  Using R1Q2, Nocheat this dual connection does not exsist, nor does it exsist in the stock Q2 version 3.20 or 3.21. Then why would it be needed in Q2advance?

So why the dual connection? I noticed all was answered except this little blurb

[evilpope]

art: they are automatically started, i did this because some of us dont like the idea of having to change our game to have a level playing field (ie downloading and hitting binds for timers)

you can try q2advance 1.0 beta 3 yourself though and check it out (now free for everyone):
http://www.q2players.org/show_news.php?id=238

[JustAGuy]

  he is assuming all aimbots must be a proxy first off, which shows you how little he knows about programming, hacks, or anything else.

"This either happens when a person is connected thru a proxie or when using a aimbot."

I don't see where he assumed all aimbots were proxy...

[evilpope]

i dont even know what he is talking about, q2a connects no different than any other q2 client.

[evilpope]

[console]

So why the dual connection? I noticed all was answered except this little blurb

It would be, I guess, nice to see the output of tcpdump, or whatever program was used to snoop the network packets.  UDP is a connectionless protocol, so we're left guessing what is meant here by "connection".

Anyway, if someone were to build an aimbot directly into quake2 (ala frkq2, etc.) there would be no reason to do any network-level hackery, when you can simply cause the auto-aiming to occur directly within the client.

If I were the betting type, I'd definitely put my money on this being a red herring.

But what do I know?  Post the tcpdump logs

Regards,

[Art]

art: they are automatically started, i did this because some of us dont like the idea of having to change our game to have a level playing field (ie downloading and hitting binds for timers)

you can try q2advance 1.0 beta 3 yourself though and check it out (now free for everyone):
http://www.q2players.org/show_news.php?id=238

First of all, thanks for posting here to defend your code. I tried it out and the timer feature is nice.
I wasn't aware this was previously Q2ice.
It shows me to have two modified sounds -
sound/player/watr-out.wav
sound/misc/tele1.wav
hence a -1
Not sure when or how these got modified.
But all my models are ok !
It'll take a while to get my config right. I'll keep playing with it.

[Corky]

I have only seen beans play once, and all he did was bitch about everyone being a bot for like an hour. He called me and 3 or 4 other people bots. I think he is just a tad bit paranoid delusional. 

[X'tyfe]

lol it never ends

[daelmun]

Yeah, reading his posts make me think the same, at least no way in hell I believe q2a has hidden bots/wallhacks. Right now the client works pretty damn good for me, used it for three days now and it reminds me of good old nocheat when it comes to the feeling of the movement and overall smoothness.

And now that it is free of charge for everyone to use i think most players should at least give it a try. And where the previous versions seemed to run not so good on some comps this version should run just as good if not better than the standard quake2.exe. Think it's time to actually give it the support an anticheat should have, even if you're not the one being called a bot all the time I advice you to give it a try. Get the client used on servers and tell people to use it. It's a working anticheat as of now, and still under developement, but if noone uses it, it has little value.

And any feature requests etc should be directed to the forum on www.q2players.org, and ep is actually open for suggestions. I bugged him for and hour or so and got the xania rail, ignore, highlighting of frag messages, mwheel for scrolling in console, on screen clock and maybe even more to be added to the newest version. If the suggestions are within reason of course, don't expect him to do major changes to the client without a really good reason.

And if you got general questions about config or commands, please direct those to others than ep as well. Haveing everyone asking him the same questions over and over can be tiresome. Make a thread here and I and others who use the client will help out the best we can. We don't always know the answers, but that way we take some of the workload off the shoulders of ep, and the questions that finally end up at his desk will probably be valid ones. Anyway, just my thoughts

[X'tyfe]

why cant you instead of cheat protection, make a sorta pure server type thing like quake3 and unreal t
though the downside to that is no one will be able to use any modifications that arnt on the server

they cant hack that can they?

[naymlis]

im pretty sure everything can be hacked.. even q2a, but once it does get hacked ep will make a fix and update it