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Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2020, 10:51:32 AM »
The following explanation is, I think, key to understanding how this cult operates, and why it is unresponsive to data-backed or reasoned counterarguments:


https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1269374970746068992

^ the above thread, unrolled:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1269374970746068992.html

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I got asked a series of questions just now about how woke people, Robin DiAngelo in specific, think about science and if their program is pseudoscience. It isn't. It uses pseudoscience (implicit bias), but it's actually anti-science. I'll explain as I did in reply.

By the way, this is going to sound crazy, but it's a perfectly sound reading of the material, if taken to its logical extreme. Few people would express this in its pure form, but it is the pure form of the ideas underlying Wokeness and its lack of relationship with reality.

Wokeness (rather, Critical Social Justice) just is NOT interested in reality. It doesn't defy reality necessarily or go along with reality necessarily. It isn't interested in it. It will use it when it suits it and deny it when it doesn't and otherwise doesn't care about it.

You see this in the vagueness of its policy proposals; you see this in its unwillingness to ever clearly say what it means or intends to do; you see this in how it talks about science, data, and ways of knowing. You see this in how it forwards emotions over data.

I'll give you a very succinct summary of Robin DiAngelo's thoughts on science to root this in something. Some of this is in White Fragility (2018); some is in Is Everyone Really Equal? (2012). You'll see her attitude toward science is very unnerving. It's the pure Woke view.

DiAngelo says science is a set of narratives devised by white, Western men and just one way of knowing. It is a way that is rooted in false claims to objectivity, which is a form of bias. We should be challenging the idea that objectivity is possible or desirable at all.

DiAngelo then says that we shouldn't treat knowledge claims as factual statements in correspondence with reality. What we should always be asking about all knowledge claims, including those of science, is not whether or not they are true but whose interests they serve.

This is a hard concept to grok. The only relevant thing about knowledge is whose political interests are advanced by a claim to it, according to Wokeness. So I got asked, "would they say 2+2=18 or something like that?" Eh... This shows the disconnect normal people have from Woke.

What 2+2 equals is not the point in a Woke analysis. The point is "whose specific identity group interests are served by accepting that 2+2=4?" The point wouldn't even be to say what 2+2 is at all, just that it's problematic to advance 2+2=4 if that advances white interests.

So, the Woke view would be to say that if saying 2+2=4 predominantly serves white, Western male interests, that statement itself is political and politically problematic and should therefore be treated with suspicion, maybe dismantled, decolonized, or banned.

Banned in favor of what? Doesn't matter. Just banned. Abolished. Decolonized. Dismantled.

Let me put this next part in all caps so it's clearer:
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT REALITY.

Really, like don't care about it. It's all abstract, and the only "reality" is feeling "oppressed."

That's insane, right? It's also straight lifted (and misinterpreted) out of postmodern Foucault, who argued that the truth or falsity of a knowledge claim misses the point that it is automatically political. The political ramifications of a truth claim are the whole point.

If they told you that 2+2=4 is a political statement that should be doubted, and you said, "what do you think 2+2 equals, then?", you've missed the point entirely. The question is unintelligible. The Woke answer is, "It doesn't matter. What matters is that 2+2=4 is problematic."

This isn't 2+2=5 or 2+2=3 or 2+2=18 or any of that. It's "2+2=4 is a politically problematic statement and therefore shouldn't exist except if we can use it for our own interests but no one else can." There's no desire to replace it with some other answer. Reality doesn't matter.

The reason reality doesn't matter is because their entire universe is JUST political abstractions. Actions in the real world are cannon fodder for advancing the abstractions, nothing more. So we should dismantle the schools, and for what? Doesn't matter. Police? Doesn't matter.

My friend then asked me how you talk people out of this, then.

You don't. You show other people how ridiculous it is. You couldn't talk someone out of Jonestown. You can't talk them out of this. You could stop someone from going to Jonestown, though.

If this didn't make sense to you, then you don't know the thing we're really up against.
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Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2020, 11:42:23 AM »
These "woke" people are ironically in intellectual comas.

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Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2020, 12:58:17 AM »





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Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2020, 03:19:57 AM »
The irony. If this is her... She's white and should shut the fuck up about her views on black suffering. "This isn't about you." Now is the time for whitey to shut the fuck up and LISTEN. Suggesting solutions is just another way of perpetuating white privilege and suppressing the black voice.

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Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2020, 04:06:51 PM »
Listen to famous people. They are smarter than you! They are your leaders!

If you needed MORE of a reason to think that Roger Waters was a douchebag and the greatest common denominator in all of the problems that led to the break-up of Pink Floyd (HE was the only one not in the band anymore... nuff said?)

To summarize it: Boohoo, David won't advertise my boring shit on the website HE owns.

https://variety.com/2020/music/news/roger-waters-slams-david-gilmour-banned-pink-floyd-website-1234610572/

But one quote in particular applies here...

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"... I'm not sure the path to a new America that is not ruled by the current ruling class — by money, plutocracy, and a capitalist society — will be made any easier with Biden as president."

A. He's British.

B. Capitalist society is why he had the opportunity to become hugely wealthy.

C. He's a douche.

D. Name one hit or good song from the album The Final Cut. You can't do it.

E. It is scientifically provable that David Gilmour > Roger Waters.

F. If you happen to subject yourself to the bad rendition of "Mother" linked in the editorial, you'll see that Roger Waters is a douche with $12,000 (or more) Martin D-45 which he plays badly,... after preaching to us that capitalist society is so unfair and oppressive... with his 12 THOUSAND dollar guitar... in his 100 THOUSAND dollar studio... in his 9 MILLION dollar mansion. DOUCHE.
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2020, 09:21:22 AM »
Science magazine and Nature journal recently jumped on the Critical Social Justice bandwagon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQjBZVssr1I

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Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2020, 11:32:34 AM »
I don't hate black people, I just hate Robin DiAngelo.  ::)

With true white supremacists, the whole "why it's so hard for white people to talk about racism" doesn't even apply. Neo-Nazi skinheads LOVE to talk about racism. It's their favorite fucking subject. They're positively obsessed with it. As for me... I sit in my house, watching TV, I'm just getting by day to day, I try to be a good neighbor to everyone, I'm not bothering anyone. But I am the big problem in the world? What the fuck did I do? I'm complicit by default? NAH, MOTHERFUCKER. Now you're bothering ME, when I wasn't fucking with ANYONE. Kiss my black ass.

This is exactly how Christianity works. You're a piece of shit sinner by default no matter what you do, and the only solution is to take the pill they're peddling. And it's bullshit. And I don't know much about the bitch, but I'm betting Robin DiDumbassAngelo is atheist and doesn't prescribe to religious bullshit based on that logic...  and yet she still can't seem to see the similarities here.

Assholes like this have the unmitigated gall to talk about things or people are being "divisive" these days. This philosophy of "wokeness", much like Christianity, IS the divisive shit in the world. From the start, if you aren't in it, if you aren't with them, marching and waving their flag, then you're the enemy OF it. It's a thing they've conceptualized, and you're either team A or team B.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2020, 11:08:46 AM »

https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1274837786261102594

"Stop using white history, white mathematics, and white science" says the person advertising their "white PhD" in their twitter handle.

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