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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2520 on: September 30, 2020, 10:21:11 AM »
Looks like a damn wire to me and it looks like he was trying his best to keep it tucked in.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2521 on: September 30, 2020, 01:43:24 PM »
The debate was just impossible to listen to.

They need to both agree to have a mute button for the moderator, and perhaps there needs to be a big screen in the background with all the questions on it, and Trump or Biden gets a big GREEN CHECK if they ACTUALLY ANSWER the question.

Biden came prepared, and ready to show no respect to trump. Of course, this didn't result in a good performance... Trump appeared like he just went out there with no preparation thinking "Hell, it's just sleepy joe, i'll just wing it", and the end result was an epic shit slinging show.

Need the big screen or whiteboard or whatever showing the questions like I said and have them have a RED X by their name if they don't answer a question. Because how in the hell did that debate help any voters? This is what this crap has turned into, i guess.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2522 on: September 30, 2020, 02:04:23 PM »
"Biden did not wear a wire during the presidential debate"

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9490173116

"No Evidence Biden Was ‘Wearing a Wire’ in Debate"

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/no-evidence-biden-was-wearing-a-wire-in-debate/
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2523 on: September 30, 2020, 02:10:55 PM »
. Because how in the hell did that debate help any voters? This is what this crap has turned into, i guess.

MMM HMMMM. :thumbsup:

I'm not FOR Donald Trump because I think he's the best OF ALL men for the job. But his stated policies make him the best man WHO IS RUNNING. I will say one thing loud and clear: a better man would've successfully DECIMATED Joe Biden last night with very little effort. But a better man ain't to be found right now, unfortunately.

Biden claims that mail-in voting is not an opportunity for fraud and corruption.  ::) NEITHER one of these assholes should be saying that. When a politician is telling you that there's something they want to do and that you don't have to worry about corruption coming into play... HOW STUPID ARE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT?
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2524 on: September 30, 2020, 02:47:16 PM »
It was really sad to watch. Biden basically waved his hand and said "here's the deal, none of that is true, that was all lies"... at everything. But a lot of it was true, but the viewers don't know that. Lefties think he's telling the truth, righties think he's a liar.

Hunter Biden DID receive 3.5 million from the wife of the Mayor of Moscow:

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Ukraine%20Report_FINAL.pdf

When trump brought up the "socialist manifesto" that he partnered with Bernie to create Biden replied "There is no manifesto"..... it's right on his website!:

https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/UNITY-TASK-FORCE-RECOMMENDATIONS.pdf

Then there's this:

Quote
Right out of the gate, one of the first questions that erupted into a food fight was the idea of the Democrats getting rid of the legislative filibuster and packing the Supreme Court if Biden wins and his party retakes control of the Senate. This one doesn’t fall into the category of a “lie” on Uncle Joe’s part. If anything, it’s worse. He flatly said “I’m not going to answer the question.” I’m struggling to remember if any candidate in presidential electoral history has ever done that during a nationally televised debate. Is this similar to Nancy Pelosi’s old playbook on Obamacare when she told us we needed to pass the bill to find out what was in it? You’ll need to elect me to find out what I’ll do as President. That was a stunning moment.

 :lolsign:

There's like 30 more things too....

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But yeah, someone else would have decimated Biden of course. It's probably worth pointing out that Trump wouldn't have interjected as much if Biden lied less, although obviously my main criticism is him not handling sleepy joe better.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2525 on: September 30, 2020, 03:23:10 PM »
"Biden did not wear a wire during the presidential debate"

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9490173116

"No Evidence Biden Was ‘Wearing a Wire’ in Debate"

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/no-evidence-biden-was-wearing-a-wire-in-debate/

Two significantly (and widely known) left wing hack outlets. You forgot politifact as well. Their rush to defend this makes me feel MORE confident it was a wire. Do I KNOW it was a wire? Of course not. But it ABSOLUTELY looked like one and it ABSOLUTELY looked like he was trying to keep whatever it was out of sight. Maybe it was something harmless like his iTouch Kids mp3 player cord. I'm just describing what it looked like. These sites are a joke. Don't tell me it was fucking crease in his shirt and don't tell me Eric Swalwell didn't rip ass on live television. Your eyes see one thing, and they rush in and say "no you didn't see that". Give me a break. He was wearing an earpiece during an event just the other day.

Do I KNOW he was being fed answers? NO
Do I KNOW he has a lot of trouble speaking in coherent sentences? YES
Do I know this phenomenon occurs very frequently? YES
Has he ever last 90 minutes without a bad gaffe in the past 4 months? Something to think about.
Do I KNOW he was shockingly coherent during this debate, exhibiting a drastic difference in cognitive and oratory skills? YES.
Is this fishy or just coincidence? You be the judge. And yeah, I said you. Not FAKE "fact check" sites.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2527 on: September 30, 2020, 05:39:46 PM »
Looks like a damn wire to me and it looks like he was trying his best to keep it tucked in.

Do you WANT it to be a wire? YES
Will that affect your ability to look at evidence to the contrary with apt objectivity whether you're willing to admit it or not? YES

Motivated reasoning, right? What was it about the AP or Factcheck.org articles that you found fault with? What was so compelling about the grainy youtube video?
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2528 on: September 30, 2020, 06:21:48 PM »
Looks like a damn wire to me and it looks like he was trying his best to keep it tucked in.

Do you WANT it to be a wire? YES
Will that affect your ability to look at evidence to the contrary with apt objectivity whether you're willing to admit it or not? YES

Motivated reasoning, right? What was it about the AP or Factcheck.org articles that you found fault with? What was so compelling about the grainy youtube video?

No, I want it to be a crease in his shirt (in reality something more believable, like his iTouch Kids mp3 player). It DIDN'T look a crease in his shirt. I'm only describing what it LOOKED LIKE in ONE FUCKING VIDEO. If Kamala Harris is walking down Flatbush in a KKK outfit, it looks like one thing, but IS another (and quite weird yet believable I might add). But If I say EXACTLY what it looks like, oh my Lord... I'm a baaaad person... Real bad.

Why would me describing what I see with my eyes affect my thoughts on what I see with my eyes?

Do you really trust these fact check sites? Like when they say "Trump said Hillary acid washed 30,000 emails, thats a LIE, she BleachBitted 30,000 emails. She did not use a corrosive chemical". Those are the fucking sites you trust. That's your source of facts. You might want to consider fucking growing a pair and doing some damn research outside the echo chamber.
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« Reply #2529 on: Today at 04:20:50 AM »

https://youtu.be/Bl12oIVf424

Typical Biden NOT fresh off the adrenochrome IV and without oddly designated "creases" in his shirt.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #2530 on: Today at 08:03:43 AM »
Do you WANT it to be a wire? YES
Will that affect your ability to look at evidence to the contrary with apt objectivity whether you're willing to admit it or not? YES

Yeah, I don't fully understand why anyone would think it was a wire to an earpiece. There was no wire leading TO an earpiece, nor would there need to be one if there were an earpiece. Earpieces can totally be wireless these days. :D Was there an earpiece? I didn't see one, but I didn't rewatch the thing specifically looking for one either, so it's possible I missed it.

I will say that 95 to 99% of Biden's responses and comments sounded entirely rehearsed. When he's reciting written material, he has this habit of speaking softly with a bit of an upwards inflection like he's talking to a room full of Kindergarten children, which is a bit of a tell about him and who he thinks he's talking to. ;)

It's pretty obvious that Biden rehearsed HEAVILY for that debate. I don't think he wore a wire or an earpiece, and I'll tell you why. I think he does have cognitive problems. He can't hide it, not from me, not from you. If you've ever seen a family member make the "change" that happens with dementia or alzheimer's first-hand, then you unmistakably know what it looks like. And someone who gets their wires crossed and confused easily like that is not going to be able to listen to someone yaking in their ear and be able to accurately repeat it while they are talking. Their brains can't handle that much at once. It requires too much short-term memory dexterity. But what they can do is repeat something they've drilled hardcore over the past month and use a paper outline or an outline on a smart phone to remember the key parts before responding.

Sounds like many people were upset with the moderator. Lefties were pissed that he allowed Trump to interrupt and give 2nd comments after he already spoke. Righties were pissed and said his questions were biased. I felt like for once, he was the one man to ask critical point-blank questions of BOTH candidates, questions that I would've asked, questions that NEEDED to be asked. Shit got out of hand, but I actually appreciated how mostly unbiased he seemed with the questions and how he allowed shit to take it's natural course. Biden, being as rehearsed as he was, was sort of forced to leave his box and think critically a few times. I actually LIKED that it became chaos. You got to see Trump talk without a handler feeding him talking points and him reverting that monotone teleprompter reading that bores everyone to fucking tears. And you got to see how Biden outright REFUSED to answer questions he knew would make him look bad.

If I had to put a score to the outcome of it. I'd call it a straight 1-1 draw. For the most part, Biden got torched by Trump. But then Trump didn't take the opportunity to stop and stare directly into the camera and tell everyone, "I denounce any and all white supremacist groups and organizations, and I also denounce any and all groups and organizations that use racist racial identity politics such as critical race theory." That one fucking point right there where he was asked about the Proud Boys and white supremacists lost all the territory he gained the rest of the night.

And it says something important, I think. It's now become pretty obvious that neither side knows that they can count on the outcome of the election, even WITH any mail-in ballot schemes either side is pulling. Reading between the lines, it seems like BOTH sides would prefer it if the delayed count would lead to riots, probably because they think whichever side does the most damage will be more likely to be "appeased"... like they've been doing with police indictments that supposedly have nothing to do with pressure from riots etc. ::)
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« Reply #2531 on: Today at 10:32:34 AM »
Trump is at his best when he's ACTUALLY prepared and is a little witty with his dickish sense of humor. He was unprepared and didn't make me laugh really. When a moron like Biden is allowed to dismiss EVERYTHING as lies and refuse to answer questions, sometimes letting him talk is his own worst enemy. He didn't have to interrupt him as much, and trump was way better in the debates 4 years ago.

I like how the fact checks are framed though. They'll claim stuff that trump said were all lies because it can be interpreted differently in a different context, but Biden's blatant lies barely get any attention. Pretty much all the fact checks say "Biden and trump both lied, but trump's a bigger liar" when THAT narrative is actually false.

Example:

FACT CHECK: Did hunter Biden receive millions from the mayor of Moscow's wife?

Rating: FALSE,  he did not. Trump's a big liar, it was actually hunter Biden's company that received the money.

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« Reply #2532 on: Today at 01:16:49 PM »
Chris Wallace sucks donkey dick. As soon as Biden makes an acceptable closing statement "ok we're ending that segment". Then asks trump to denounce white supremacism when he KNOWS trump has done so several times. He was even WORSE in the Hillary debates. He's been anti-Trump for years and a horrible choice for a moderator.
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« Reply #2533 on: Today at 02:34:11 PM »
Two significantly (and widely known) left wing hack outlets.

This is essentially an ad hominem. Can you elaborate on the flaws you found in the arguments for either of these fact checks?
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