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Re: Fuck the police
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2020, 03:11:20 PM »
Lol Foc, how many people wave down the cops that are potential looters? I agree with a lot of your sentiment, just saying.

If this seemed like the people that needed to be arrested the most in that area, I'm willing to bet there are other areas in more need of policing.
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Re: Fuck the police
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2020, 06:46:18 PM »
My take on the whole shi-bang:

Yeah, cops do shit many times that they don't really need to. Ideally, we'd like them to treat every situation with no bias, with no bad attitude towards the people they are detaining, and act like consummate professionals at all times. And some of the cops aren't of the proper disposition to be able to do that every single day. Some of them aren't as naturally intelligent as we'd like them to be. And the way I see it, it's in the salary they get. Cops have never made a lot, but law enforcements funding has been reduced more and more over the years to the point where they have to resort to crooked shit like speed traps and window tint profiling in small rural places to get by. And eventually they see how easy that is, and it quickly becomes a corrupt money-grab. And I don't mention that kind of thing as a hypothetical situation. It happened in a town around the corner from me.

I fault the legislative branch for the short-comings of the executive branch. In school we're taught that we have 3 branches of government, checks and balances, and it's fair that way. Right? Not if the legislative branch is the one dictating where the executive branches funds go. They keep failing to budget their own selves properly, so they keep pinching more and more from the police and the teachers and others, and then they say "Lets legalize pot and tax it!" as if the real problem is that the government doesn't receive enough tax revenue. No, the real problem is they don't know how to live within a budget and say NO to things that aren't necessary.

If you gave law enforcement the appropriate level of funding, paid the cops the salary that their job DESERVES, then you'd have more competition FOR that job position, and you'd be able to find better quality candidates. SMART people. And smart people aren't stupid enough to risk their lives performing a dangerous job that doesn't pay the bills. But dummies, psycho ex-jocks and assholes with short-man syndrome will line up all day to be underpaid cops.
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Re: Fuck the police
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2020, 08:14:14 PM »
And smart people aren't stupid enough to risk their lives performing a dangerous job that doesn't pay the bills. But dummies, psycho ex-jocks and assholes with short-man syndrome will line up all day to be underpaid cops.

telling too much truth is frowned upon in some circles but yea i agree lol  :lolup:

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« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2020, 08:19:40 PM »
. They didn't get a pension and early retirement for shooting someone while in the military. They had to come home and get a fucking job.

I DO NOT like police. Individual ones I might act friendly towards. But it's acting. Even with the ones who seems cool and will stoop to hang out with someone like me for 5 minutes. I don't trust any of them. They serve a purpose in society, and I guess we kinda need them... but... I ain't calling them for shit.

i'm of a similiar understanding. i judge each one by their merits but power hungry ppl usually enter those positions just for the money and to push ppl around. sure there are some honest ones out there, i dont' know where they are and they certainly aren't anywhere in my radius. i don't know if apathy is a good trait for police. those are the "decent ones" however if i were to get a gun illegally i'd be the first one they look for. then ppl like to point fingers oh its the process that dont' allow me to act constitutionally. fuck that.

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Re: Fuck the police
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2020, 08:52:33 PM »
Lol Foc, how many people wave down the cops that are potential looters? I agree with a lot of your sentiment, just saying.

If this seemed like the people that needed to be arrested the most in that area, I'm willing to bet there are other areas in more need of policing.

That video gives you very little context though. Maybe someone called their precinct and reported that they needed police assistance at that location. Maybe the dispatcher didn't provide/relay any information on the problem other than looters at the location. I personally find it hard to believe that police just driving by in a situation where looting and rioting is going on in multiple areas would stop because people are waving their arms in one particular place. Seems like the reason they'd be in their cars and moving would be because they were responding to something specific, and that looked pretty specific.

I'm not saying the cops are always right. I'm not saying I agree with the protesters either. If folks are saying pick a side... fuck that. Nobodies on my side, so why should I pick anyone elses? So all I'm saying is look at everything from both sides. Most people aren't psychopaths, so you can generally expect most people to act predictably and with reason and motive, even the proverbial stupid ones in large groups.



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Re: Fuck the police
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2020, 05:37:47 AM »
"Nobody's on my side, so why should I pick one?"

Ain't that the truth.
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Re: Fuck the police
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2020, 04:10:39 AM »

https://youtu.be/6seudSyHW4w

This is wild.

If I was a cop in a major city i would have put my resignation in already. I agree with Foc that cops should be paid more so more ambitious, patriotic, trustworthy, and intelligent people start competing for what should be a prestigious position.

No one wants to be dox'd and have people start gathering outside their homes, but completely concealing all forms of identity?? Tough situation. I just hate giving in to the mob.
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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2020, 10:03:47 AM »

https://youtu.be/00HE5DBzcVU

Why harass an innocent black woman like this?
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Re: Fuck the police
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2020, 11:12:53 AM »
His pepper spray is probably empty because... he uses it for everyday casual shit like spraying people in the face for sitting in their car. :uhoh:

Like I said in another post, these non-lethal tools they've given cops in the past 20 or so years have become their instant go to method. It doesn't make someone stop resisting when you spray them in the face with hot pepper juice, it makes them kick and scream and try to get away even MORE.

What this video fails to explain is that you DO NOT have the right to resist arrest or a command just because you feel or otherwise know that it is unlawful for them to request it. Even if you are absolutely sure that it is unlawful, you're still supposed to do what they ask. ("Unlawful" as in it violates your rights. You DO have the right to refuse to carry out a command that would have you breaking the law and result in charges against you.) If it's unlawful, you get a lawyer and you argue that in court. These kinds of videos along with the "first amendment audit videos" are what have popularized this whole "fuck the police" mentality where people think it's okay to run from the cops, swing at cops, or otherwise harass them in the course of their duties.

If he had done nothing wrong, what is the problem with stepping out of his fucking car? Why be such a difficult cunt? These people make these videos and everybody ends up saying, "GASP! Look what that asshole cop is doing!", and they completely ignore the fact that MOST of the time, the situation is one they've made for themselves by being a tedious argumentative asshat.
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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2020, 11:57:02 AM »
Actually, the police DID INDEED swear an oath to uphold the constitution. They are public servants first and foremost. "Serve and protect (the SHIT out of you)". I'm willing to bet you'd ideally willingly rephrase part of that because the way it stands it seems that you think there is no such thing as an unlawful stop. While it is often WISE (in an unfortunately unconstitutional and anti-liberty sense) in most situations to simply obey the police regardless of what the law of the land states, this is mostly in a "I just don't want to get the shit beat out of me or shot" sort of sense. That is not how it should be.
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« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2020, 06:57:04 AM »
Let me be clear. I am not anti-cop, or pro-cop.

Both of those terms sound like they are either an unabridged endorsement or condemnation of all police officers. I dislike both terms.

I am pro law enforcement, pro rule of law, and pro equality under the law. Cops are people. There are good ones, bad ones, and everything else in between. The existence of one bad cop (individual) is not indicative that all cops (collective) is bad, and it's a shame people use this as some form of evidence for systemic problems.

I am simply a staunch constitutionalist. While I absolutely understand that cops have an extremely difficult job, and that situational risk assessment is supremely difficult, and that cops get killed regularly in the line of duty, and that cops are severely underappreciated, I'll never be a fan of them overstepping their authority in situations where I believe it's pretty damn clear that there is no big threat. Of course, my opinion means a hair more than jack shit, but that's just how I see it. And I do believe that simply obeying any and all orders can be a slippery slope.

While I'll agree, many of the people conducting 1st and 2nd amendment audits are complete morons (and sometimes pieces of shit), I also think that there are some who do it in a relatively mature and kind manner. And I think the latter, as long as they are not wasting an officer's valuable time and baiting them in some way, do us all a service. But unfortunately most of them are of the former.

When i post incidents of cops going a bit too far I don't want anyone to think I am anti-cop. Hell, I actually have the American flag with a blue line through it on the back of my hardhat. It's been there since before the virus popped off.
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« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2020, 06:39:22 PM »
And I do believe that simply obeying any and all orders can be a slippery slope.

What is the alternative? To refuse to do what they say, and then they have to physically restrain you? All I'm saying is that one should recognize that this escalation in force could've been avoided by just silently complying.

I know people who frequently do things that aren't entirely legal, and they accept that it's gonna put them at odds with cops sometimes, and you have 2 choices in that situation. You can fight them, or you can just shut up and accept that they're gonna do their job however they're gonna do it.

As my lawyer advised me many moons ago:

When dealing with police, TRY to be nice, and at the very least, DO NOT be an asshole, as this will not gain you any favors from them. If you find that they are going to arrest you, SAY NOTHING, do not submit to any tests or questioning without legal council present, inform them of this, and obey all other commands as you are legally obligated to do so.

Because as I said before, you DO NOT have the "right" to resist arrest or disobey a direct command.

A cop asks you to step out of the car. Why not? What does refusing to do so gain you in comparison to what complying with that command might lose you? Many of these "outrage against cops" videos are manufactured by generally disagreeable copycat pricks who just want to get famous on YouTube like all the other idiots they've seen. I think we can assume that the person in the video got the fuck out of the car one way or another in the end, probably by being forcibly removed from the car. All he had to do was get out and talk. If he wanted to dispute the fact that he was speeding, he could've still done so. But whether he was IN or OUT of the car, and in spite of any rational protest against it, the cop is still going to issue a ticket if they feel like they should. The place to dispute it is in court with a lawyer.
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« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2020, 05:01:32 AM »
By mentioning court you almost started to answer one of your questions. Instead of silently comply you can (be extremely courteous, do your best to make it painstakingly obvious that you pose no threat to the officers safety, and) record the incident as you comply. While I've already stated that I don't approve of the majority of the people doing "audits" on the police, some do so simply to spread awareness and encourage rule of law (we must remember that cops are bound by this as well). By recording, you decide when the footage is made available to the public, instead of waiting pointlessly for body cam footage that will never be released. The police officer is usually recording you, and there's nothing wrong with you recording him on a public road. On its face, recording the incident simply gathers facts regarding what occurred. It's just a shame so many people hit record and then enter duhard mode.


https://youtu.be/gU5jrWVOBBU

While I disagree with the narrator of this video (especially the title and his jump to racism as the cause for the stop), it shows the audio of a stop. The officer doesn't follow protocol, and when he realizes he's being recorded, he tries to end the stop ASAP. The citizen asked a few questions during the stop which I don't feel were out of line. Sometimes we see incidents like this where the cop immediately asks someone to get out of the vehicle without stating the reason for the stop. In these cases, the cop needs a tune up from his superior as he is not following the law. But if the citizen doesn't record, the cop is likely to continue breaking the law.

And you do have the right to directly disobey a command. Some commands are absolutely irrational, illegal, and/or flat out inappropriate. If you knew you were breaking the law when they stopped you, and the command seems rational and illegal, sure, comply. But not all commands are like this.

I saw a video years ago where someone saw a HUGE fire ant mound outside of a prison or police station. They got off their bicycle and began to take a video of it. It took very little time for a cop to show up and command him to stop recording, which is illegal. The cyclist refused and kindly asked for his superior. The superior came a few minutes later and apologized to the cyclist, telling the deputy "he's good. Let's go". The incident caused the cop to learn something and perhaps reflect on his oath, which is constructive IMO. Engaging in abnormal or suspicious (subjective) behavior is not illegal. He has absolutely every reason to sniff out the situation, but if there is no criminal activity or threat thereof, he should remain a public servant sworn to uphold constitutional rights.
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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2020, 10:47:25 PM »
Great job, NYC bureaucrats!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxBLxpJmC9g

Apparently they've just criminalized the most basic/essential techniques for non-lethally controlling a suspect resisting arrest.

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Re: Fuck the police
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2020, 01:32:15 AM »
Well... if we liquidate all the white people, and then it's just black cops policing other black people... it'll be totally acceptable to shoot every suspect for every offense, so arrests will become obsolete and the world will be a better place.
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El Box de Shoutamente

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Om3ga

July 10, 2020, 06:39:35 PM
I like trolling you guys.
 

Om3ga

July 10, 2020, 06:37:37 PM
Sup tastybitches, Om3ga 2020. Hope yall staying healthy  cuz i come back to hang around, im coming back harder than the coronavirus.
 

|iR|Focalor

July 10, 2020, 04:08:00 PM
It was cold. Damn.
 

ImperiusDamian

July 10, 2020, 08:56:39 AM
"I saw focalor's small one"? That's rather judgy isn't it?  ;D ;D
 

Admin

July 01, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
Indeed, thanks. Added a few more bans.

otg

July 01, 2020, 04:49:07 AM
ADMIN: the bot is back using player names. cheers.
 

|iR|Focalor

June 22, 2020, 03:58:10 AM
Nah. I used "img width=220" in the first tag. That's about max size for the box on my monitor, which is 1280x1024 old school non-widescreen square format.
 

haunted

June 21, 2020, 07:07:01 PM
Damn it. I saw focalor's small one and figured it auto resized it here. Haha
 

haunted

June 21, 2020, 07:06:04 PM
 

|iR|Focalor

June 21, 2020, 10:54:46 AM

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