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« Reply #1155 on: March 26, 2020, 09:53:34 AM »
"If Your Doctor Spoke Like Trump" by Sam Harris (apparently)

Haha, was just headed here to post this. (Had just seen Sam’s tweet this morning.)
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« Reply #1156 on: March 26, 2020, 10:01:49 AM »
He keeps blabbing on like the fucking pitch-man that he always is, and this is NOT the fucking time to be pitching people how great things are GOING to be.

Are you sure you're talking about the right Sam Harris? Sounds a little like Steven Pinker, but could be someone else too.

This is Sam Harris:

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« Reply #1157 on: March 26, 2020, 11:23:45 AM »
He keeps blabbing on like the fucking pitch-man that he always is, and this is NOT the fucking time to be pitching people how great things are GOING to be.

Are you sure you're talking about the right Sam Harris? Sounds a little like Steven Pinker, but could be someone else too.

This is Sam Harris:

https://hackernoon.com/hn-images/1*vSSMGRYuB2n1Unw6sg53bg.jpeg

No, I'm talking about Donald the Dumbass J for Jerkoff Trump. I wish Melania would cut his fucking balls off in his sleep.
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« Reply #1158 on: March 26, 2020, 03:51:03 PM »
Better stock up
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« Reply #1159 on: March 27, 2020, 12:43:29 PM »
"The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump-evangelicals.html

I have a feeling you guys probably don't read the links I share, but if you want to read something on the NY Times website, if you're quick, you can hit the Esc key a few times as the page is trying to load to prevent the cockblock thing that prevents you from reading the article without signing in. There's probably an easier way to do this, but this is what I've been doing and it works alright.
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« Reply #1160 on: March 27, 2020, 01:05:30 PM »
I'll copyspooge it for those without exscape keyses.

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Opinion
The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals

Trump’s response to the pandemic has been haunted by the science denialism of his ultraconservative religious allies.

By Katherine Stewart

Ms. Stewart is the author of “The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism.”
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Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown.

At least since the 19th century, when the proslavery theologian Robert Lewis Dabney attacked the physical sciences as “theories of unbelief,” hostility to science has characterized the more extreme forms of religious nationalism in the United States. Today, the hard core of climate deniers is concentrated among people who identify as religiously conservative Republicans. And some leaders of the Christian nationalist movement, like those allied with the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, which has denounced environmental science as a “Cult of the Green Dragon,” cast environmentalism as an alternative — and false — theology.

This denial of science and critical thinking among religious ultraconservatives now haunts the American response to the coronavirus crisis. On March 15, Guillermo Maldonado, who calls himself an “apostle” and hosted Mr. Trump earlier this year at a campaign event at his Miami megachurch, urged his congregants to show up for worship services in person. “Do you believe God would bring his people to his house to be contagious with the virus? Of course not,” he said.

Rodney Howard-Browne of The River at Tampa Bay Church in Florida mocked people concerned about the disease as “pansies” and insisted he would only shutter the doors to his packed church “when the rapture is taking place.” In a sermon that was live-streamed on Facebook, Tony Spell, a pastor in Louisiana, said, “We’re also going to pass out anointed handkerchiefs to people who may have a fear, who may have a sickness and we believe that when those anointed handkerchiefs go, that healing virtue is going to go on them as well.”

By all accounts, President Trump’s tendency to trust his gut over the experts on issues like vaccines and climate change does not come from any deep-seated religious conviction. But he is perfectly in tune with the religious nationalists who form the core of his base. In his daily briefings from the White House, Mr. Trump actively disdains and contradicts the messages coming from his own experts and touts as yet unproven cures.

Not every pastor is behaving recklessly, of course, and not every churchgoer in these uncertain times is showing up for services out of disregard for the scientific evidence. Far from it. Yet none of the benign uses of religion in this time of crisis have anything to do with Mr. Trump’s expressed hope that the country would be “opened up and just raring to go by Easter.” He could, of course, have said, “by mid-April.” But Mr. Trump did not invoke Easter by accident, and many of his evangelical allies were pleased by his vision of “packed churches all over our country.”

“I think it would be a beautiful time,” the president said.
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Religious nationalism has brought to American politics the conviction that our political differences are a battle between absolute evil and absolute good. When you’re engaged in a struggle between the “party of life” and the “party of death,” as some religious nationalists now frame our political divisions, you don’t need to worry about crafting careful policy based on expert opinion and analysis. Only a heroic leader, free from the scruples of political correctness, can save the righteous from the damned. Fealty to the cause is everything; fidelity to the facts means nothing. Perhaps this is why many Christian nationalist leaders greeted the news of the coronavirus as an insult to their chosen leader.

In an interview on March 13 on “Fox & Friends,” Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, called the response to Coronavirus “hype” and “overreacting.” “You know, impeachment didn’t work, and the Mueller report didn’t work, and Article 25 didn’t work, and so maybe now this is their next, ah, their next attempt to get Trump,” he said.

When Rev. Spell in Louisiana defied an order from Gov. John Bel Edwards and hosted in-person services for over 1,000 congregants, he asserted the ban was “politically motivated.” Figures like the anti-L.G.B.T. activist Steve Hotze added to the chorus, denouncing the concern as — you guessed it — “fake news.”

One of the first casualties of fact-free hyper-partisanship is competence in government. The incompetence of the Trump administration in grappling with this crisis is by now well known, at least among those who receive actual news. February 2020 will go down in history as the month in which the United States, in painful contrast with countries like South Korea and Germany, failed to develop the mass testing capability that might have saved many lives. Less well known is the contribution of the Christian nationalist movement in ensuring that our government is in the hands of people who appear to be incapable of running it well.

Consider the case of Alex Azar, who as secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services has had a prominent role in mismanaging the crisis. It seems likely at this point that Mr. Azar’s signature achievement will have been to rebrand his department as the “Department of Life.” Or maybe he will be remembered for establishing a division of Conscience and Religious Freedom, designed to permit health care providers to deny legal and often medically indicated health care services to certain patients as a matter of religious conscience.

Mr. Azar, a “cabinet sponsor” of Capitol Ministries, the Bible study group attended by multiple members of Mr. Trump’s cabinet, brought with him to Health and Human Services an immovable conviction in the righteousness of the pharmaceutical industry (presumably formed during his five-year stint as an executive and lobbyist in the business), a willingness to speak in the most servile way about “the courage” and “openness to change” of Mr. Trump, and a commitment to anti-abortion politics, abstinence education and other causes of the religious right. What he did not bring, evidently, was any notable ability to manage a pandemic. Who would have guessed that a man skilled at praising Mr. Trump would not be the top choice for organizing the development of a virus testing program, the delivery of urgently needed protective gear to health care workers or a plan for augmenting hospital capabilities?

Or consider Ben Carson, the secretary of Housing and Urban Development, a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force and another “cabinet sponsor” of Capitol Ministries. As a former pediatric neurosurgeon, Mr. Carson brought more knowledge about medicine to his post than knowledge about housing issues. But that medical knowledge didn’t stop him from asserting on March 8 that for the “healthy individual” thinking of attending one of Mr. Trump’s then-ongoing large-scale campaign rallies, “there’s no reason that you shouldn’t go.”

It is fair to point out that the failings of the Trump administration in the current pandemic are at least as attributable to its economic ideology as they are to its religious inclinations. When the so-called private sector is supposed to have the answer to every problem, it’s hard to deal effectively with the very public problem of a pandemic and its economic consequences. But if you examine the political roots of the life-threatening belief in the privatization of everything, you’ll see that Christian nationalism played a major role in creating and promoting the economic foundations of America’s incompetent response to the pandemic.

For decades, Christian nationalist leaders have lined up with the anti-government, anti-tax agenda not just as a matter of politics but also as a matter of theology. Ken Blackwell of the Family Research Council, one of the Christian right’s major activist groups, has gone so far as to cast food stamps and other forms of government assistance for essential services as contrary to the “biblical model.” Limited government, according to this line of thinking, is “godly government.”

When a strong centralized response is needed from the federal government, it doesn’t help to have an administration that has never believed in a federal government serving the public good. Ordinarily, the consequences of this kind of behavior don’t show up for some time. In the case of a pandemic, the consequences are too obvious to ignore.

Personally, I think Islam is more of a threat to America than Christianity.

And what's wrong with Nationalism? And why do certain people tend to equate nationalism with racism? They are different. Unless someone is proposing that we should be more inclusive because we SHOULD be the police of the entire world... This is why I don't think the progressive left agenda is well thought out. Some of the philosophies seem counter intuitive, counter-active, paradoxical, whatever. Like "we should stop meddling in other nations affairs." and yet thoughts of nationalism for ourselves is somehow bad? If it's okay for THEM to be a sovereign nation and put themselves first, why is it bad for ME?

And also... THE JEWS. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE JEWS. ;)
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« Reply #1161 on: March 27, 2020, 04:39:30 PM »
(The escape trick didn't work for me in Brave browser which is Chromium-based. However I was able to do a quick Ctrl-A Ctrl-C to select-all and copy before their paywall script kicked in.)


Quote from: Katherine Stewart - NYT
The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals

The implication being: The curve would look different if someone were in office who didn't pander to Evangelicals.

Making this headline either a deliberate falsehood, or something produced by an incompetent.

For all the smugness in the article about being on the "pro-science" side of the argument, the author produces a series of anecdotes and ignores the data.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XLXg4fYsc

Looking at the data, we see almost every single country on an identical trajectory. Only a scant few that have taken extraordinary measures have managed to significantly bend the curve.

The countries doing best seem to be those who dealt with SARS previously, intersected with those who are able to impose top-down control over their citizenry.

To understand why half-measures don't work with this virus, here is some relevant modeling:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs

To further torpedo the specious reasoning in Katherine Stewart's article, we can look at the policy put forward by New York City's elected health officials: repeatedly advising unsafe social interaction of the type explored in the above model, right up through March 12th (when community spread was already utterly rampant.)

Ultimately: Of course we should wish to avoid taking on policies advocated by religious fundamentalists (whatever their stripe: christian; islamic; woke-leftist) when said policies are contravened by science & data. That will usually be the right call. Of course, sometimes they will turn out to have been right all along (e.g. nuclear family) but one does one's best.


tl;dr: Katherine Stewart NYT article used anecdotes to reach an unscientific and trivially debunked conclusion about "coronavirus".
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« Reply #1162 on: March 27, 2020, 11:42:44 PM »
"Trump says he's directed Pence not to call governors who aren't 'grateful' for federal aid"

https://www.wtkr.com/news/national/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-to-hold-daily-briefing-after-trump-signs-stimulus-bill
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« Reply #1163 on: March 28, 2020, 01:55:30 AM »
Yeah but... what kind of an ASSHOLE wouldn't be grateful for aid at the moment? :D
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« Reply #1164 on: March 28, 2020, 02:38:48 AM »
Yeah but... what kind of an ASSHOLE wouldn't be grateful for aid at the moment? :D

Best way to get back at the governors who don't kiss your ass? Make the people of their states suffer!
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« Reply #1165 on: March 28, 2020, 06:11:10 AM »
I'm still upset that illegals are not getting the money they deserve  :evilgrin:

I think Hilary is still upset about the 2016 election - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-joke-virus-cases-trump-promise-america-first
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« Reply #1166 on: March 28, 2020, 07:12:20 AM »
There HAS to be some sort of 'medium' between limiting fatalities, not crippling the economy, not overloading hospitals,  building up our immunity some, letting younger and healthier people work as long as their not in 'hotspots', and buying more time to make ventilators. If you're going to be critical of trump it should be that he's not trying to achieve this goal. When he said a couple days ago that things would be back to normal by easter that seemed way off to me. When I first saw the plan of [1 month quarantine, 1 month off, 2 months quarantine, 1 month off] I assumed that was likely aimed to achieve the aforementioned medium between all of those. I still think a national stay-at-home is inevitable, but leaving it up to the states could work. If you give the governors/states more authority in that aspect, then as president it's your job to both voice your opinion AND to remind them where the aid is coming from if you want to be successful. We'll see what happens, but I do not approve of some of the things he said. Particularly about everything going back to normal soon, and about the quantity of ventilators that are needed. Although it seems he's already changed his tune about the ventilators.
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« Reply #1167 on: March 28, 2020, 03:44:19 PM »
"Trump says he's directed Pence not to call governors who aren't 'grateful' for federal aid"

https://www.wtkr.com/news/national/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-to-hold-daily-briefing-after-trump-signs-stimulus-bill

On the one hand, we all know Trump's a dick.

On the other hand, I found myself wondering to what degree the spin in the above article would end up matching reality.

Here's the full context (with CNN unsurprisingly choosing to focus on the same "don't call" remarks in their title and description.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sov6nQhqwis

What I got out of it:

- Trump spends much of the time praising FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers, Mike Pence, and the Federal teams working to get aid where it's needed.

- In the course of being pressed to comment on any beef with specific governors, Trump indicates the Federal government has helped both Washington and Michigan, but indicates he believes these two governors are casting blame for political reasons.

- Pressed again to elaborate, Trump does the spiel about how Pence calls all the governors, but that when he (Trump) tells Pence not to call the ones who are 'unappreciative', Trump indicates (making a mock whispering-to-the-camera gesture) he knows Pence will call them anyway.

OK - so basically Trump being Trump.

Or, you know, we could crank up the smear machine because there's money to be made on outrage clicks.

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #1168 on: March 28, 2020, 04:15:33 PM »
I dunno about anyone else, but shit like that is what helps to enrage me about this whole shitty situation.

The republicans don't seem to realize that the ONE AND ONLY THING that's gonna get us back to life-as-usual is the strict-as-hell stay-in-your-damn-house quarantine policy and temperature checkpoints that China has adopted. They seem to want to instill confidence in us maybe in hopes that we'll vote republican in november.

The democrats seem to want to focus on party agenda, and don't mind the fact that this whole thing is turning into a disaster because it's a republican president catching shit for it. Maybe if it goes REALLY bad, they'll have a clear path to victory in every election for the next several cycles.

And both sides are busy pointing fingers at each other and shitting on each other when they should realize that this is a... FUCKING CRISIS... and do something really human like come together to do the right thing, help us all, and save lives.

And the media who are supposed to be our eyes and ears during all of this shit are more concerned with creating narratives and showcasing their talent for capturing the drama of it all... rather than simply informing us about what's going on. And these same dickheads knew for a month or two what was going on in Asia. Much like our government, they damn well should've seen this coming. But it didn't grab ratings and attention like the democratic debates, so they didn't talk about it, which means that most of the idiot politicians didn't see or hear about it from the TV news either, which means WE didn't get how serious it was until it arrived in our country, walked in the front door, and exploded in our faces.

And I feel like ALL of them are just standing around flapping their lips about shit, giving speeches, looking for pats on the backs for those speeches, and waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to do something about all this.

Yes, I need a fucking hug, thank you.
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« Reply #1169 on: March 28, 2020, 05:20:38 PM »
It would be nice if trump could have a presidential moment and talk to the American people. Something like......

You are American citizens and that means something. I am not ordering you to do anything. This is the land of the free and I will never infringe on your rights. However, these are extreme times. I strongly urge all the elderly to self quarantine, and relief will be coming to those who must quarantine. For those that continue to work, you will be rewarded in time. Please do what you can for your country, etc......

...but, we're not getting that.

Anyone else see anything about China distributing a massive amount of urns? I've never heard of Asia news but it's the 3rd time I've seen something like this

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Wuhan,-endless-queues-for-ashes-of-coronavirus-dead-cast-doubts-on-numbers-49673.html

Also, what about those camps China has where they have millions imprisoned? I wonder if covid-19 found it's way in there. Probably, media isn't allowed anywhere near those places though.
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August 03, 2020, 11:58:12 AM
Nice. I didn't know there was such a thread. Thanks :)
 

quadz

August 03, 2020, 11:37:31 AM
Shoutbox isn't the place for rehashing this. Here's the thread about DM server spawn farthest from 2006/2007:

http://forum.tastyspleen.net/quake/index.php?topic=2932.0

Punk_FAS

August 03, 2020, 11:21:37 AM
but that's *NOT what the DM server is supposed to cater to

Punk_FAS

August 03, 2020, 11:21:09 AM
It's not ideal for 1v1 situations, but that's what the DM server is supposed to cater to. Also, there are 7 other maps besides DM4 (actually 8 for the automatic mymap map between dm8 and dm1). I think there are more positives than negatives.

Punk_FAS

August 03, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
It happens to better players too. I know I've been in first, or second place, only to die and spawn right next to the other leading player multiple times in a row, and having to dodge rockets in a narrow corridor without any weapons myself (other than blaster).

It's not the best for 1v1 situation

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August 03, 2020, 11:17:56 AM
I saw a clearly-new player earlier, and it spawned him like 3 or 4 times in a row right next to a better player. Instant death each time they spawned. I imagine that can be discouraging and frustrating, particularly when someone is trying to get a handle on the game. Spawn farthest would avoid this.
 

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August 03, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Might be interesting to code a hybrid spawn function that doesn't focus on "farthest" so much as avoiding the few most congested spawn points?

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