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« Reply #750 on: October 01, 2019, 01:38:16 AM »
...the apocalyptic belief that 'growth-oriented capitalism' is destroying the world, and that we have 12 years left before the changing climate irreversibly renders the planet uninhabitable for future generations.


I disagree with the 12 years part. But the sentiments of "growth-oriented capitalism" she's touching on in CLEARLY rehearsed lines that would make even Susan Lucci roll her fuckin' eyes... eh, there's a point there. I dunno what it's like where you live, but I've seen soooooo much building and shit going on where I've lived for almost 40 years. When I was growing up and they were building up the town we lived in, my folks would make comments about, "If grandpa could come back from the dead and see this place, he wouldn't recognize it." I moved quite a ways out of the suburbs where I used to live, and now THIS PLACE is starting to look just like the strip-mall littered shithole suburbs I moved away from 15 years ago. At what point do we STOP grading off all the trees and building thousands of slab-on-grade shitbox houses on a tract of land as big as a bar napkin? The traffic gets worse and worse, there's more and more people, more houses, more shopping centers,... and the ones where I used to live sit mostly abandoned now. They operated for 20 or 25 years, the anchor stores moved out, and now they sit empty driving down property values and encouraging the shittiest people to move in and bring their crime and drugs with them. Surely where you live isn't exempt from this phenomenon. There's gotta be a breaking point where some huge disaster occurs because of it. Disease, environmental issues that kill thousands, famine, riots and bedlam, etc.

(ad Hitlerum, but fuck it) This is why Hitler wanted Lebensraum... because he was gonna build a fuck-ton of mini-malls TOO.

Stunning and brave Antifa foot soldiers heroically prevent elderly fascists from crossing the road:


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #751 on: October 01, 2019, 10:28:28 AM »
...the apocalyptic belief that 'growth-oriented capitalism' is destroying the world, and that we have 12 years left before the changing climate irreversibly renders the planet uninhabitable for future generations.


I disagree with the 12 years part. But the sentiments of "growth-oriented capitalism" she's touching on in CLEARLY rehearsed lines that would make even Susan Lucci roll her fuckin' eyes... eh, there's a point there. I dunno what it's like where you live, but I've seen soooooo much building and shit going on where I've lived for almost 40 years. When I was growing up and they were building up the town we lived in, my folks would make comments about, "If grandpa could come back from the dead and see this place, he wouldn't recognize it." I moved quite a ways out of the suburbs where I used to live, and now THIS PLACE is starting to look just like the strip-mall littered shithole suburbs I moved away from 15 years ago. At what point do we STOP grading off all the trees and building thousands of slab-on-grade shitbox houses on a tract of land as big as a bar napkin? The traffic gets worse and worse, there's more and more people, more houses, more shopping centers,... and the ones where I used to live sit mostly abandoned now. They operated for 20 or 25 years, the anchor stores moved out, and now they sit empty driving down property values and encouraging the shittiest people to move in and bring their crime and drugs with them. Surely where you live isn't exempt from this phenomenon. There's gotta be a breaking point where some huge disaster occurs because of it. Disease, environmental issues that kill thousands, famine, riots and bedlam, etc.

(ad Hitlerum, but fuck it) This is why Hitler wanted Lebensraum... because he was gonna build a fuck-ton of mini-malls TOO.

Stunning and brave Antifa foot soldiers heroically prevent elderly fascists from crossing the road:


https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1178500448552210432

:ohlord:

Wow. Such fuckin' heroes. :ohlord: Where the fuck are the police when shit like this happens?

I always felt people are so darn obsessed about the whole climate change thing that it's like 90% are not paying attention to the arguably even bigger environmental threats we more imminently face and are already facing. Directly breaking the ecosystem with immense deforestation and killing bio-diversity at horrific rates barely gets a nod now and then and it's a HUGE issue. It already has very real dire consequences now, most people just don't grasp how much has already been damaged and going to get much worse. And then there is things like heavy metal pollution getting everywhere in our oceans, soil. It's particularly bad in certain countries where mining companies, as well as rogue miners dump toxic soil with reckless abandon causing farming soil and water to get contaminated and creating very documentable cases of the local populations having impaired neurological function and defects.

Oh and lets not forget the use of depleted uranium munitions in conflicts. Not because it's supposedly radioactive, but heavy metal poisoning again, that's the big problem and that never decays. Oh and also, coal being clean energy is also not true under any circumstance afaik, it produces a lot of toxic waste material too that must be disposed of somehow, mercury in particular. I remember when a hurricane had some worried about such dumps... how do you get rid of it safely? Maybe there is and I don't know, but I bet its expensive and not perfect. There's a lot of this stuff corporations don't want you to know.

I will say this though, we totally SHOULD switch to nuclear for the majority of energy needs on this planet in my opinion, it is in fact possible to largely mitigate the risks associated with nuclear energy if it's done right, modernized reactors and no corners being cut (good luck on the corps doing that). And yes, everyone goes on about nuclear waste, but it too can largely be reprocessed from what I've gathered until its pretty low level waste. A lot of nuclear fuel material is wasted and left hot because of politics due to certain processes creating weapons grade material from doing so. There's so much we can do as a civilization, but there's no will, and everyones screaming themselves speechless with an obsession over but a mere fraction of our whole problem and forgetting the rest exists which we may have more immediate solutions for.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #752 on: October 01, 2019, 11:18:56 AM »
...the apocalyptic belief that 'growth-oriented capitalism' is destroying the world, and that we have 12 years left before the changing climate irreversibly renders the planet uninhabitable for future generations.
I disagree with the 12 years part. But the sentiments of "growth-oriented capitalism" she's touching on in CLEARLY rehearsed lines that would make even Susan Lucci roll her fuckin' eyes... eh, there's a point there. I dunno what it's like where you live, but I've seen soooooo much building and shit going on where I've lived for almost 40 years. When I was growing up and they were building up the town we lived in, my folks would make comments about, "If grandpa could come back from the dead and see this place, he wouldn't recognize it." I moved quite a ways out of the suburbs where I used to live, and now THIS PLACE is starting to look just like the strip-mall littered shithole suburbs I moved away from 15 years ago. At what point do we STOP grading off all the trees and building thousands of slab-on-grade shitbox houses on a tract of land as big as a bar napkin? The traffic gets worse and worse, there's more and more people, more houses, more shopping centers,...

It's indeed a hard problem.

I want to maximize both individual liberty and economic freedom.

However, this is not the same as advocating for an unregulated system; e.g.
Quote from: Bret Weinstein
Enlightened libertarians on right and left should agree that:

1) All else being equal, less regulation is better.
2) Liberty is enhanced in a well regulated system.
3) Liberty is squandered in a badly regulated system.
4) There is very little liberty in an unregulated system.

But how do we cope with the following:



So far, regulated-but-otherwise-maximally-free-markets driving technological advancement seem to be the only system we have that can cope with this sort of population explosion, while still continuing to improve the (average) standard of living worldwide (despite the system also having flaws.)

But yes: clearly the type of growth in the chart above is unsustainable. (Unless we develop star ships and warp drives.)

Not sure what to do about it, though. Institute an authoritarian "two child maximum" policy?


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #753 on: October 01, 2019, 11:26:14 AM »
I will say this though, we totally SHOULD switch to nuclear for the majority of energy needs on this planet in my opinion, it is in fact possible to largely mitigate the risks associated with nuclear energy if it's done right, modernized reactors and no corners being cut (good luck on the corps doing that). And yes, everyone goes on about nuclear waste, but it too can largely be reprocessed from what I've gathered until its pretty low level waste.

Indeed. My understanding is some Generation IV reactor designs can use somewhere on the order of 97% of what would have been waste (spent fuel) from older/current reactors.


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #754 on: October 01, 2019, 11:32:04 AM »
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #755 on: October 01, 2019, 01:28:54 PM »
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Indeed. My understanding is some Generation IV reactor designs can use somewhere on the order of 97% of what would have been waste (spent fuel) from older/current reactors.

I'd need to read up more on it, but that's certainly one aspect of the options available to us. Also furthermore, even if we do end up with high grade byproducts, well I say the more the merrier if we also get over the phobia of weapons grade material, that's the stuff we should be using for space travel already ever since the concept of the Orion Nuclear Pulse Drive was conceived of, not to mention a host of other nuclear engines that might work greatly increasing the potential of space trave, go nuclear or go home is my motto for space travel! We're really wasting our time and resources using pathetically weak chemical rockets.

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Not sure what to do about it, though. Institute an authoritarian "two child maximum" policy?

It's pretty hard to get around that one really. I find it very difficult to imagine as a civilization gets more and more advanced, that population control doesn't become ever more important to implement due to the quality of living that pretty much encourages people breed to their hearts content. Though one thing I firmly believe can greatly help is encouraging people to lose the mythical aura that surrounds intercourse and encourage alternative means of sexual gratification for individuals and couples in particular. Part of this is attempting to rid the cultural stigma of pornography and instruments related to such, encouraging that as healthy alternatives to sex for couples to engage in which can actually be potentially more effective, available and reliable at pacifying those natural needs.

This is one reason a lot of people should be GRATEFUL nothing has happened to Trump btw, Pence is one of those who'd like to make it illegal which in my opinion is a terrible suppression of freedom of expression, this is one area where the GOP is often hypocritical on with their sense of holier than thou morality. But like someone here once rougly said, that on the other side the dems want to take our food and conveniences of life away instead of coming up with logical solutions to problems, we can't seem to win with either side can we?  :frustration:
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #756 on: October 01, 2019, 02:03:57 PM »
Not sure what to do about it, though. Institute an authoritarian "two child maximum" policy?

Authoritarian? :badgrin: You say that like it's a BAD thing?

It sounds harsh and oppressive, and my hero Ayn Rand might kick me in the nuts for suggesting it, but... sometimes the simplest solution is the best one.

Religion has done it's part to complicate this problem. We have this wonderful concept of separation of church and state, and yet some religions dictate that it's members fuck and fuck and fuck as much as possible to create more little puppets for the glory and service of god. If one day it takes 5 hours to commute 40 miles to your job in the city because of traffic, how do we sidestep laws and find loopholes around the protections that religion enjoys while it's members breed like rats. In particular, I'm thinking of bible verses such as "be fruitful and multiply"... although it seems to be the Mormons paying attention to that verse the most these days. And I wonder if anyone remembers the "fatwa" (or whatever you call a religious edict issued by a self appointed Muslim Caliph) that the ISIS caliph issued urging all the Muslims to move to european nations and breed with their women.

We don't let these people commit human sacrifices in the name of religion because... I guess because we feel like its more oppressive to US (outsiders/general public) when religion kills people in human sacrifices. So in that same way, it could be said that religion oppresses society by failing to practice rational breeding habits.

Yeah, I absolutely DO think it would be a terrific idea if the whole world had a 2-child policy. Replace yourself, no more. Its gonna sound hateful to liberals... but it seems to me like some of them APPRECIATE the fact that poor people and immigrants are having shitloads of children, because they know many of them grow up to be blind democrat voters, and ALL of them grow up to increase tax revenues for that area. People=money. I don't think the Democrat party really gives a shit if these people get a piece of the American Dream. All they know is they bag 20% of whatever these people make in a paycheck, and the more paychecks there are, the more income they get and the more they get to divvy it up a thousand ways to camouflage how they're pocketing more of it than they should be.

Yes. I'm asserting that we DO need a dictatorship. But make ME dictator. I'll be cool. I won't kill anyone who didn't have it coming anyway. ;D

Just rambling mostly. I'll reread this tomorrow and probably be appalled at myself that I said half of it.
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« Reply #757 on: October 01, 2019, 03:05:11 PM »
Make me dictator. Then we'll get starships and warp drive. And mandatory daily Quake II sessions.
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« Reply #758 on: October 02, 2019, 10:46:09 PM »
Not sure what to do about it, though. Institute an authoritarian "two child maximum" policy?

Authoritarian? :badgrin: You say that like it's a BAD thing?

It sounds harsh and oppressive, and my hero Ayn Rand might kick me in the nuts for suggesting it, but... sometimes the simplest solution is the best one.

Feels like one of those "Devil is in the details" problems.

What happens in cases where a couple gets accidentally pregnant with their third child?

If we go iron-fist authoritarian, then I suppose we get into forced sterilization, forced abortion and/or forced adoption.

Backing off a bit, I suppose one would focus on incentives? Social stigma and/or tax incentives or penalties?

But yes: The unfortunate calculus is if we don't intervene in some humane fashion to curb the population explosion, then the hard limit is pure Darwinian "hard times" (the four-billion-year-old natural limiting factor to species overpopulation: food scarcity and die-offs - yay.)

So clearly we want to address the problem somehow before reaching the Darwinian limits. :/


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« Reply #760 on: October 05, 2019, 04:50:46 AM »
And her reply is like... ABRA CADABRA! I MYSTIFY YOU WITH BULLSHIT! :D Politicians have mastered the art of using the most words possible to say nothing of any real importance.
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« Reply #761 on: October 05, 2019, 12:07:54 PM »
The woman clearly is mentally ill. Unfortunately, she won't be getting the help she clearly needs unless someone in that meeting was a qualified mental health professional or they alerted authorities to her condition. AOC was mostly stunned by the concept of the woman's comments and struggled to compose a coherent answer. I don't think the woman was a comedic genius but represents the state of mental health in America today. This woman would seem to have money and some means of support, probably from her family. These are the kinds of people that are wandering the streets of America, homeless and deranged, through no fault of their own or due to drug use. In pre-Reagan America these people would have been involuntarily committed into mental health institutions or hospitals. Today there is no such thing and it was probably prescient, since those places would be overrun with these patients today thanks to meth and heroin and the opiate epidemic. The opiate epidemic stems from the general feeling of pain in the population and the willingness of corporations to profit from that pain. Whether that pain is real or merely psychological is another matter.

You can get literally anything printed on a tee shirt online and Eat the Children is one of them. First Amendment forever!

Make America Great Again, ETC. (Eat The Children)

I had the unfortunate opportunity to observe mental illness personally in a friend of ours and to experience the helplessness and frustration both in my inability to help her and her own frustration about her own illness. Talking someone down from a hysterical reaction to hearing voices in her head telling her to kill herself was not something I was qualified or prepared to do but I did try. Schizophrenia is a terrible thing and her ultimate solution after years of drug therapy and increased tolerance for the medications was to walk in front of a train. You can laugh at these people and call them idiots. I don't find it funny.
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« Reply #762 on: October 05, 2019, 01:54:27 PM »
I mean... I think AOC's answer was appropriate for the most part. Vague, deflective, typical politician baloney might've been the best thing for someone that bat shit crazy. I doubt coherently explaining why we shouldn't consume babies to her would've went well.

Speaking of which, the lefty mainstream media outlets are all saying she was a trump supporter. But it could be a group of radical leftists posing as trump supporters that pose as AOC supporters. It's up in the air whether or not George Soros funneled some money into a citizen support group that is affiliated with brettbart, and by the request of brettbart Donald Jr. has talked at several of their fundraising events. Sarah Huckabee Sanders' cousin is the recording corresponding secretary for the organization as well, so it REALLY, REALLY doesn't look good for the republicans. Baby-cannibalism-gate will be the undoing of Trump 2020.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #763 on: October 05, 2019, 04:29:08 PM »
Apparently some peculiar Lyndon LaRouche cult has claimed responsibility:




Background on the cult from an author who apparently researched and wrote a book about the "LaRouchies".


https://twitter.com/DrMatthewSweet/status/1180000492707024897

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It’s that moment when your obscure research subject pops up in the news. Yesterday @AOC was confronted by a woman claiming to be a climate activist at a town hall meeting. Her proposal to solve the climate crisis - “eat the babies”.

So who was this woman? Not a climate activist. Not even, perhaps, someone with a mental illness. She is a representative of the bizarre political cult once led by Lyndon LaRouche. Previous targets for this kind of stunt include @Janefonda, Olof Palme & Michael Dukakis. Now @AOC.

The LaRouchies are pretty exotic. They believe that the Queen controls the drugs trade. They think Prince Philip wants to start WW3. They think Bertrand Russell used the Beatles as part of a secret British psy war against the USA. They are, to use a technical term, nuts.

The LaRouchies have been enemies of the green movement for decades. They used to carry signs that read “Feed Jane Fonda to the whales”. It’s linked with their conspiracy theory about the Queen’s “green fascism”. Piers Corbyn, by the way, was a member of their Facebook group.

The LaRouche group was once a fairly ordinary revolutionary Marxist group. In the early days Bernie Sanders subscribed to their literature. Then came the great Brainwashing Affair of 1974, when members were convinced they had been programmed to kill by the CIA.

But the point here is that a small, weird, politically unclassifiable - once Marxist, now more often described as neo-fascist and antisemitic - has spent nearly five decades pulling these stunts. Democrat Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis was a notable victim.


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