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« Reply #315 on: January 23, 2017, 04:29:19 AM »

People are easily duped by the media. By thinking that Trump had no chance at all of winning the election, I certainly was duped. And as much as any of you loyal Democrats wanna think you were too smart to be duped by the media, be honest with yourself, you got duped too. We ALL did. But think back to the "WHY AREN'T I 50 POINTS AHEAD!?!" Hillary Clinton tirade. She wasn't duped. She saw it coming. Just sayin'.

Quite true that the media openly lies to people almost without any repercussion, though for Spicer's case, I think if he approached with calm criticism of the media he would of came off more as a competent person rather than a vindictive one. Also, acting that way would of played more into his favor, especially Trump supporters who some of them already distrust the media. By lashing out too harshly on the media and openly lying on something that is too easy to fact check (the crowd sizes), I think Spicer might of lost his credibility already. On side note, there is a clip of him on Youtube telling journalism studies not to lie in order to maintain the public's trust, so it's hilarious to see him not live up to his own words. I'll edit this post later if I can find it again.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #316 on: January 23, 2017, 04:42:31 AM »
People are easily duped by the media.

Related:

"How the mainstream media constantly lies to the public without saying a dishonest word."
"How the mainstream media constantly lies to the public without saying a dishonest word."

Precisely.

Like many people, I'm not 100% enthused by our choice for president, but I understand his dislike for the media, particularly certain ones. I remember back when CNN became the first 24 hour news channel around the time of the Gulf War. They were the only one with balls big enough to try a 24hr news channel, and their coverage of Desert Storm established them and made that gamble pay off big. And at the time, they were firmly controlled and managed by Ted Turner, a Democrat. But even so, the coverage was very unbiased, especially compared to what news networks do now. I wish we could have our media go back to that kind of thing.

I had a thought this weekend. I was walking into the room just as the national ABC Nightly News was beginning. The opening of the show bombards you with a rundown of all the major stories they'll be covering in the broadcast. It's killings in broad daylight, protests, disaster and devastation, misery and suffering, just boom boom boom boom boom, back to back and rapid fire. I thought, "If I were a superintelligent race of aliens aboard a space ship coming to Earth to offer friendship and helpful technological discoveries to mankind... and happened by chance to come into range close enough to pick up TV signals just at the moment that ABC was opening their show... I'd be FUCKING TERRIFIED at the thoughts of interaction with such an obviously fucked up in the head race of beings like humans.

So I guess the point is... yeah, we ARE a pretty fucked up people, but maybe we aren't REALLY quite as terrible as the media likes to make us out to be for the purpose of ratings and revenue. We probably just need to stop watching the news. It's been genetically designed under laboratory conditions to piss you off at someone else and absorb you into a certain collective with an agenda. And even if you agree with that agenda, let's face it, such collectives always care more about the agenda than YOU, the living breathing feeling individual supporting it.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #317 on: January 23, 2017, 08:41:56 AM »
On the other hand, who is going to constantly call out these people for their "alternative facts" when they start effectively using Russian tactics of outright lying to your face while they do things they aren't supposed to be doing, if not that very same media?

The American people show an aversion to doing their homework that would just allow people like Conway and their other mouthpieces, to run roughshod over established measurable facts and blow smoke up our asses constantly while they fleece the country for the gain of a select few.

Next thing you know they'll be telling us Trickle down economics is really working and has worked every time it's been tried and that the reason we're all so downtrodden and unable to afford jetskis is that evil Obama had a muslim commie plot to keep us down. They'd never try to sell that line would they?
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« Reply #318 on: January 23, 2017, 09:30:01 AM »
Next thing you know they'll be telling us Trickle down economics is really working and has worked every time it's been tried

Reminded me of: "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia."


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #319 on: January 23, 2017, 02:36:26 PM »
But trickle down economics does work. I feel the piss landing on me. Don't you?
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #320 on: January 23, 2017, 03:06:07 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html

Trump withdrawls America from the TPP agreement, fulfilling a campaign promise.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #321 on: January 24, 2017, 12:28:27 AM »
GOOD! Quite frankly, I'm tired of buying cheap poorly made Chinese shit at WalMart stores that used to carry American made products. If American products are more expensive and not higher quality than Chinese made products, it's because the few American manufacturers don't have enough domestic competition to dictate higher quality standards and more competitive pricing. If we wanna actually COMPETE with China, we can't continue to buy 80+% of our shit from them. We're like junkies, and little by little we're killing ourselves while they take all our money. Trashing the trade deal will trash our economy? Bullshit. NOT trashing it will continue the slow agonizing inevitable death we've been on a course for since the flood of Chinese imported SHIT exploded back in the 80's.
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« Reply #322 on: January 24, 2017, 08:31:18 PM »
Rather interesting perspective on immigration:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOOBlcOIcLs
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As someone wrote in the comments: "Holy fuck, a nuanced, down to earth viewpoint that is focused, that doesn't just regurgitate bottomfeeder political rhetoric and is humanitarian without being shallow and short-sighted? MAN, this was refreshing!"

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #323 on: January 25, 2017, 09:54:41 AM »
GOOD! Quite frankly, I'm tired of buying cheap poorly made Chinese shit at WalMart stores that used to carry American made products. If American products are more expensive and not higher quality than Chinese made products, it's because the few American manufacturers don't have enough domestic competition to dictate higher quality standards and more competitive pricing. If we wanna actually COMPETE with China, we can't continue to buy 80+% of our shit from them. We're like junkies, and little by little we're killing ourselves while they take all our money. Trashing the trade deal will trash our economy? Bullshit. NOT trashing it will continue the slow agonizing inevitable death we've been on a course for since the flood of Chinese imported SHIT exploded back in the 80's.

That sounds great if your state doesn't have a decent minimum wage, and they don't care if people dump shit in their rivers and pollute their air to the point where people have to wear masks to go outside, and they completely isolate themselves from the global marketplace...  :thumbsup:

Just try to compete at manufacturing when your raw materials cost the same, your labor costs astronomically more, and you are held responsible for actions that destroy the environment while your direct competitors are not.

I work in an industry that manufactures high end physical products in California and we face the same issue with competitors in other states as we do with competitors in China who have made off with everyone's designs and copied their products: They don't pay their workers shit.

Our "sweatshop" hourly laborers will be getting at the very least $15/hr by 2020 here and they already get an HMO health plan, 3 paid sick days and we give them 3 paid holidays on top that aren't required by law. Our main competitor in Indiana pays the federal minimum wage which is $7.25 for the same labor, with no sick days and no vacation and companies who have copied us in China and make exact duplicates of our products (albeit with shittier quality control) pay way less than that.

The only way we are still in business is that we offer service and support in addition to the products that somebody in China won't offer, and we offer custom options that our competitor in Indiana doesn't. We had to change what we offered and what the customer expected from us, or go out of business. We also had to avoid even bothering with the segment of the market where we cannot compete with the Chinese due to huge variances in price.


We (americans) didn't start or continue buying Chinese commodities because of their quality or service. We buy it because they can make the same crappy thing we can make for half the price. Our people in general care more about low price and being cheap than they do about durability or quality of construction, and it shows even in the products we make here. American made is no longer a guarantee of high quality like it used to be when we made cars out of steel and everyone else was making shit out of plastic.

For the vast majority of manufactured commodities, the ability to get the sale comes down to price and price alone. Price is dictated directly by your costs.

If you want people to buy American manufactured goods you need to meet the requirements of the customer or change them, and those requirements are currently cheapness and don't include things like relative quality or origin.

If you want to make American manufacturers grow again, you need to change Americans. We're the consumers, on a scale unlike that of any other people in the world, and as such we are dictating these requirements to companies with no regard for their ability to fulfill them.

The Chinese with their extra light labor costs and no environmental protection overhead are better situated to meet our current  requirements as customers who demand cheap shit and don't care how it's made or who made it, than our companies would be making the exact same widget in America.

Unless the demands change, the dollars will continue to flow toward the Chinese companies who meet them.

Even with those changes in demand, there will always be things that we cannot make cheap enough here to bother with and that we should be buying from some sweatshop in Asia for our own good as a society: this gives us low prices as customers and frees up our own capital for investing in more lucrative industry as manufacturers.



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« Reply #324 on: January 25, 2017, 11:30:21 AM »
Just try to compete at manufacturing when your raw materials cost the same, your labor costs astronomically more, and you are held responsible for actions that destroy the environment while your direct competitors are not.

Indeed. And unfortunately, Mr. Trump's "common sense" remedy of trade protectionism has been tried before—to less-than-stellar results:

https://www.aei.org/publication/yes-protectionism-can-save-some-us-jobs-but-at-what-cost-empirical-evidence-suggests-its-very-very-expensive/

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Yes, protectionism can save some US jobs, but at what cost? Empirical evidence suggests it’s very, very expensive
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According to Team Trump’s website, we’re told that “blue-collar towns and cities have watched their factories close and good-paying jobs move overseas, while Americans face a mounting trade deficit and a devastated manufacturing base. By fighting for fair but tough trade deals, we can bring jobs back to America’s shores, increase wages, and support U.S. manufacturing.”

Actually, it’s been capital investments in labor-saving technologies like robotics and increasing worker productivity that have led to the large majority of US factory job losses, not trade or outsourcing, as I documented recently here. And there’s been no devastation of America’s manufacturing base; to the contrary, real US manufacturing output has reached all-time high levels in recent quarters.

What’s Trump’s solution to the loss of US manufacturing jobs?  America’s “first authentic protectionist to win the White House since the 1920s” has outlined a series of protectionist trade measures including tariffs (30-40-50%), “tougher trade deals” (likely trade deals to protect US manufacturers from foreign competition), “Buy American” policies, and border adjustment taxes, among other strategies to “save American jobs.”

Here’s a relevant question to ask: How have protectionist trade policies in the past worked out for the US economy and how expensive is it to save American jobs with the protectionist trade policies Trump is proposing?
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The purpose of protectionism is to protect jobs in specific industries.
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The empirical evidence is clear-cut. The costs of protectionist trade policies far exceed the benefits. The losses suffered by consumers exceed the gains reaped by domestic producers and government. Low income consumers are relatively more adversely affected than high-income consumers.

It's not like trade protectionism is some brand new idea. If the Trump administration intends to give it another try, it ought to at least provide a rationale why the results will somehow be better prior attempts.


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« Reply #325 on: January 25, 2017, 12:49:09 PM »
It's definitely not a new idea, and it has rarely ever worked out in favor of the consumer and always in favor of the merchant class who tend to support such attempts to give themselves relative monopolies and unfair competitive advantages.

In a better world, the people who think they know best how to run an economy in an industrialized nation would have read something on the subject, like "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith.

Even before the birth of this nation it was becoming understood by western economists that limiting foreign trade on goods by the enactment of protectionist laws has a myriad of negative effects on the total revenues and profits of a nation.

Those nations end up hurting themselves more than they help themselves, by limiting the things that almost invariably help them be more productive and profitable: market access for their own labor and their own goods, and on-hand capital to invest in new lucrative business opportunities.

If you enact laws that tie up your nation's total capital in less than profitable enterprise that need to be subsidized by the government to be profitable or which require all their competition to have unfair burdens put upon them, then you are effectively wasting money buying shares of a losing company in the stock market.

You'd be better off investing it in something that is lucrative without protectionist laws to make it so, as this will naturally be a safer bet and better return on your investment in the long run.

Laws can change, but inherently profitable industry will stay profitable.


historical note: Protectionist trade policy is actually one of the key reasons that the colonies and England didn't get along to the point that we had a war of independence and this nation was formed, and it was a key factor in Britain's relative weakening from being one of the sole super powers to their current somewhat subordinate position in the west.

They squandered their national profit and economic growth in the service of gaining oversized profits for a specific class of citizens who have/had never been shown to take their profits and reinvest them in the nation without a clearcut profit to themselves.

Sound familiar?
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« Reply #326 on: January 26, 2017, 08:02:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/824657867965923328

"Trumps White House Press Secretary, Sean Spicer, tweets out password, not once, but twice in 2 days."




Additionally, to the horror of the InfoSec community, the new administration connected both the official @PressSec and @POTUS Twitter accounts to a GMail inbox:





(apparently these were like that for the first week until they caught flak for it)

As one person remarked, "I THINK there was some sort of discussion about unsecured, personal e-mail addresses being used for government business during the campaign?"


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« Reply #327 on: January 27, 2017, 05:17:57 AM »
The head of the international Union of Operating Engineers , along with other heads of the largest unions, met with Trump and apparently trump assured him that he doesn't have an anti-union agenda. With all the RTW stuff being pushed by republicans the labor force has been wondering if this right majority congress will attack Davis-Bacon or not. Not to mention our VP is a notorious union busting former governor.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #328 on: January 27, 2017, 08:43:25 AM »
Trumps assurances about American workers are about as meaningful and lasting as a fart in the wind.

If he sees or is told that there is easy profit for the oligarch class in union busting you can expect them to be under attack any time now.

Pretty much every one of his actions so far as president has come down to one of these 3:

* make sounds like he's trying to fulfill his inane campaign promises to white nationalists and keep them whipped up with fear of the evil brown men who are coming to destroy America.

* to defame or undermine the legitimacy of the 3 groups of people who can directly call him to account for outright lies and illegal activities (intel agencies, the press and scientists)

* attempts to further corner the wealth of the nation in the hands of a select few, who owe no allegiance to our country, at the expense of consumers and workers here and in other countries.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #329 on: January 27, 2017, 05:04:37 PM »
No, but when a union president, a dude that was elected in office to represent hundreds of thousands of workers because he's a die hard union to the core hard ass that doesn't take shit from corporations tells his members that they're gonna be ok it's a little different. Trump's assurances weren't even on my mind when I said that. I'm sure there's a union prez or two that's in someone's pocket but the odds with that  are less with unions than anywhere else. I'd be more inclined to believe that trump told the IUOE president something that actually made him feel ok which is nuts. Callahan is such a hard ass that absolutely has no trust for politicians ESPECIALLY republicans. Whether true or not trump must've said some good things and/or was very convincing. Maybe he swore to veto any repeal of Davis-Bacon, I don't know.
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