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Do we need stricter laws concerning gun control?

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #180 on: September 05, 2020, 10:00:22 AM »
LOL. Watching that, my butthole was puckered thinking that any second he was gonna accidentally let one off towards the people watching him.

Whatever school is employing him to train people should probably consider letting him go. If their insurance company sees that, well... they probably won't remain their insurance company for long.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #181 on: September 05, 2020, 02:01:57 PM »
I wasn't always a "responsible" gun owner though. Back in my real early 20's I had a Walther 38 that I would sometimes tuck into the waistband of my pants. I was sitting at the bar at the Ruby Tuesday at the mall drinking beers and I had to piss. I think I was wearing some camo cargo pants with ties at the bottom. I got up and as soon as I did, the gun slid down inside my pants and down one pants leg. My eyes bugged out about 10 feet. I slowly and casually walked to the bathroom, trying to turn my foot so that the gun wouldn't slide out of my pants leg and onto the floor in full view of GOD AND EVERYONE. :D I made it to the bathroom without it falling out or even worse DISCHARGING. I put it into my side-leg pocket where I usually carried it. I had put it in my waistband because I felt like it would be hidden better there. When I walked around with it in the side-pocket, you could sort of make out the shape and weight of it, and I didn't want the mall cops on me.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #182 on: September 05, 2020, 02:18:06 PM »
Damn, that guy illustrated a good point but he absolutely pointed his gun in extremely unsafe directions during the initial repetitive sequence, and once later in the vid. Some were quite better in the second half of the video though. Had there been a person in the booth/lane to the left (like there was near the end of the video) he would have pointed the muzzle directly at his legs/waist area while turning around. No telling who was off camera also. If I saw an instructor like that at a range, I'm packing up my guns and getting the fuck outta there.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #183 on: September 06, 2020, 02:12:54 AM »
During this ammo shortage, I haven't had it in me to shoot in the backyard. It seems like such a waste. Pretty soon I'm going to get a cheap 22 for plinking. 22LR amd 22 shorts will always be available somewhere, and they don't seem to be price gouged as badly as the popular self defense rounds.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/heritage-rough-rider-22lr-4-75-inch-revolver-american-flag.html

That would be a lot of fun. I'll have to find the time to scrounge up some scrap metal that I can use for targets.

Do you guys think that ammunition will eventually come back? Will the demand ever slow? I wonder how many people became first time gun owners in the last 6 months.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #184 on: September 06, 2020, 07:05:29 PM »
22LR is cheap as hell. I just glanced at the price tag of my several boxes. 3.99, 4.49 for hollow points. In bulk they gotta be dirt cheap. Getting a 22 pistol for that is a badass idea. I'd have to acquire it differently. Not wasting one of my NC pistol permits on it.

For my .22 I've been meaning to get one of those $30 adapters/suppressors off Amazon. If you don't have something that is already threaded like a 10/22 then you just tap your barrel... Then voila, you can plink in a suburban neighborhood.

I made my first 9mm purchase recently... This is what I've managed to scrounge up. 220 rounds I think. Two different high velocity penetrating, standard hollow point, steel casing is min 258% expansion hollow point.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #185 on: September 09, 2020, 10:53:56 PM »
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« Reply #186 on: September 15, 2020, 01:25:17 PM »
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #187 on: September 19, 2020, 10:02:02 AM »
Ammo price gougers at the gun show i just went to. Even when you're buying 1000 rounds of 9mm it's 70 cents a round when i can buy a 20rd box of BRASS for 58 cents a round online. And that was damn near the best deal there.

Place was LOADED with overpriced glocks and AR15's. I passed on a glock 43 at a pawn shop in SC 7 months ago for $300. This place had one for $650. My glock 17 was new 539 and at the gun show, $850. Almost every glock was $850-950.

What i almost got was a 45-70 marlin model 1895 fir $750.... Every other lever gun was a grand. The 44mag, 45 colt, 357 mag, everything was $949 or more. Might go back and get that 45-70 tomorrow just because I've wanted one for a while.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #188 on: September 19, 2020, 11:57:21 AM »
[Ginsburg] She's one of the justices that interpreted the 2nd amendment as only referring to the military. She absolutely knew "militia" refers to everyday people aka the citizenry. She absolutely knew that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is self preservation, namely against a tyrannical government. She absolutely knew that an amendment based on protection against a tyrannical government that claims only the government should have guns is nonsensical. .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

Reading the dissenting opinions (Stevens and Breyer), I'd agree with you Stevens got the state vs. private militia part wrong. But their broader arguments do not seem to hinge on that particular distinction.

To play devil's advocate, they do seem to be interpreting the 2A narrowly but literally: Citizens may keep rifles at home, but bear them in service of a militia.

And the dissent does cite some relevant historical context as background:

1. “Stevens also stated that the amendment was notable for the "omission of any statement of purpose related to the right to use firearms for hunting or personal self-defense" which was present in the Declarations of Rights of Pennsylvania and Vermont.”

2. “The Breyer dissent looks to early municipal fire-safety laws that forbade the storage of gunpowder (and in Boston the carrying of loaded arms into certain buildings), and on nuisance laws providing fines or loss of firearm for imprudent usage, as demonstrating the Second Amendment has been understood to have no impact on the regulation of civilian firearms.”

So while I personally consider self defense a natural right, and support a broader interpretation of the 2A, I can't just dismiss Stevens' and Breyer's positions as having no merit. The logic for their narrow interpretation is easy to follow, and I appreciate they used historical context to make their case.


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That said, if there's one thing that shows their complete and utter confusion on the self defense question, it's this backward statement by Breyer: "there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas."

The "untouchable constitutional right" question aside, it's just amazing someone could reason that the more crime-ridden your neighborhood, the less right you have to home defense.

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« Reply #189 on: September 19, 2020, 12:54:58 PM »
The decision was 4-5 wasn't it? Obviously I'm talking specifically about the definition of "militia" as stated in the 2nd amendment. If a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE gets that wrong, that is beyond ______________(insert horrendously unabridged treasonous or monumentally ignorant act here). It's a major deal. Fuck the details. She seriously tried to act like law abiding citizens shouldn't have guns. It's a fucking joke. Anti-American as it gets.  Her ass should have retired years ago but wouldn't, even when she's literally dying. If Biden won she would have resigned immediately. She doesn't give a fuck about being impartial. Justices are supposed to be politically blindfolded and she was NOWHERE near that.
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« Reply #190 on: September 19, 2020, 02:04:03 PM »
Fuck the details.

I'm with you in spirit, but that's kinda the opposite of how that whole lawyering thing works.

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« Reply #191 on: September 19, 2020, 02:09:15 PM »
Damnit i knew someone would cherrypick that you douchebag.

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« Reply #192 on: September 19, 2020, 02:59:06 PM »
Damnit i knew someone would cherrypick you douchebag.

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Well in the details, I'm not seeing the dissenting justices writing an argument for, "law abiding citizens shouldn't have guns."

I see them citing historical precedent for regulation of civilian firearm possession, and I'm seeing them interpret the text of the 2A narrowly and literally, in order to argue that storage of firearms for non-militia-related purposes is not covered by the 2A.

I don't personally like those arguments, but they are coherent enough that they have to be addressed seriously. (I.e. countered with superior arguments.)

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« Reply #193 on: September 19, 2020, 06:36:22 PM »
I'm leaving this one alone.

RIP Justice Ginsberg, a true American hero.
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« Reply #194 on: September 19, 2020, 07:20:38 PM »
I'm leaving this one alone.

RIP Justice Ginsberg, a true American hero.

Haha, I'd already forgotten this branched off with Ginsburg. ('Twas Stevens and Breyer who wrote the opinions Ginsburg sided with.)

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