Author Topic: Pro Gaming?  (Read 2503 times)

Ghost9

  • Guest
Pro Gaming?
« on: December 12, 2006, 12:28:21 PM »
I posted this on GGL.com.  I thought it was a good post so I'm putting it here too.  I posted it a comment in response to an article about the WSVG and the CPL.

"I don't know what the business model is for these "pro gaming" leagues, but I do know that it's never going to be like the NBA or the NFL. I also can't see people paying to watch, like UFC Pay-per-view events or even for Internet videos.

I think the MLG is on the right track with their weekly show on USA Saturday mornings. They cover MLG tournaments around the country and air the matches on TV with commentary. Halo 2 XBOX isn't the most entertaining game to watch, but the players are interesting and the show is somewhat entertaining. G4 had a similar show called ARENA in the past, which was missing pro-players. This way you get advertising revenue from commercials and money from sponsors like Intel. Both of these shows are mediocre, but they do appeal to an audience of gamers and I think this is the direction these pro leagues should be going with Q4 and CS. You could even get the players involved by letting people participate as amateurs (maybe even charge an entry fee) at the various cities. I think MLG already does this at their tour stops. If a Q4 tour came to Baltimore I might pay some money to participate in a LAN and see some world-class players.

I shouldn't have had to watch 2 of the best players in the world play their championship match on some crappy Internet video stream. Some of you may disagree with me, but I think this is exactly the kind of thing Spike TV and G4 should be looking for."
  • Insightful
    Informative
    Funny
    Nice Job / Good Work
    Rock On
    Flawless Logic
    Well-Reasoned Argument and/or Conclusion
    Demonstrates Exceptional Knowlege of the Game
    Appears Not to Comprehend Game Fundamentals
    Frag of the Week
    Frag Hall of Fame
    Jump of the Week
    Jump Hall of Fame
    Best Solution
    Wins The Internet
    Whoosh! You done missed the joke thar Cletus!
    Obvious Troll Is Obvious
    DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
    DEMO OR STFU
    Offtopic
    Flamebait
    Redundant
    Factually Challenged
    Preposterously Irrational Arguments
    Blindingly Obvious Logical Fallacies
    Absurd Misconstrual of Scientific Principles or Evidence
    Amazing Conspiracy Theory Bro
    Racist Ignoramus

Offline [BTF]Defiant!

  • Carpal Tunnel Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1502
    • View Profile
    • Quake 2 LAN party July-August 2007
  • Rated:
Re: Pro Gaming?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2006, 06:16:54 PM »

Interesting topic.

Is the intention to bring awareness to gaming as a spectator sport?  to make it an enterprise?  to make more content available to fans?  all of these?

I enjoy the high resolution of in-game, in-eyes demos where you really feel the player's tempo and their attention and intentions.  TV isn't the best venue for this in my opinion.  (Soon, distributed cameras on players and a digitized sports fields will make watching "real" sports more interactive.  So, it may be "real" sports becoming more like gaming sports than vice versa.)

I feel that trying to get more public acceptance of gaming is folly; because, "real" sports are just entertainment too.  Only when one participates on the field or in the game is it really a sport in the important sense.

Def
  • Insightful
    Informative
    Funny
    Nice Job / Good Work
    Rock On
    Flawless Logic
    Well-Reasoned Argument and/or Conclusion
    Demonstrates Exceptional Knowlege of the Game
    Appears Not to Comprehend Game Fundamentals
    Frag of the Week
    Frag Hall of Fame
    Jump of the Week
    Jump Hall of Fame
    Best Solution
    Wins The Internet
    Whoosh! You done missed the joke thar Cletus!
    Obvious Troll Is Obvious
    DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
    DEMO OR STFU
    Offtopic
    Flamebait
    Redundant
    Factually Challenged
    Preposterously Irrational Arguments
    Blindingly Obvious Logical Fallacies
    Absurd Misconstrual of Scientific Principles or Evidence
    Amazing Conspiracy Theory Bro
    Racist Ignoramus
Next Event: http://www.quakecon.org/  Fall 2014
You missed the Quake 2 LAN party at http://athenslanparty.pbwiki.com/

Offline reaper

  • Opulent Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2872
  • Nice night for a walk, eh? - Nice night for a walk
    • View Profile
  • Rated:
Re: Pro Gaming?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 06:18:36 PM »
nice post. is it to much to ask to put the nadml on cable : ) i think you could make awesome programming with q2, the movies, the interviews with players, talking about strategy.  i'm a little biased but that would be a lot more interesting to me than halo coverage
  • Insightful
    Informative
    Funny
    Nice Job / Good Work
    Rock On
    Flawless Logic
    Well-Reasoned Argument and/or Conclusion
    Demonstrates Exceptional Knowlege of the Game
    Appears Not to Comprehend Game Fundamentals
    Frag of the Week
    Frag Hall of Fame
    Jump of the Week
    Jump Hall of Fame
    Best Solution
    Wins The Internet
    Whoosh! You done missed the joke thar Cletus!
    Obvious Troll Is Obvious
    DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
    DEMO OR STFU
    Offtopic
    Flamebait
    Redundant
    Factually Challenged
    Preposterously Irrational Arguments
    Blindingly Obvious Logical Fallacies
    Absurd Misconstrual of Scientific Principles or Evidence
    Amazing Conspiracy Theory Bro
    Racist Ignoramus
VaeVictus "reaper is a lying sack of shit and ragequit then had, probably slugs, come alias and beat me, wasnt even the same person playing OBVIOUSLY, accuracies basicly doubled, and strategy

Offline X'tyfe

  • Phenomenally Prodigious Member
  • **
  • Posts: 3587
  • Yep
    • View Profile
  • Rated:
Re: Pro Gaming?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2006, 06:34:30 PM »
but no one wants quake2 its all the halo dorks
  • Insightful
    Informative
    Funny
    Nice Job / Good Work
    Rock On
    Flawless Logic
    Well-Reasoned Argument and/or Conclusion
    Demonstrates Exceptional Knowlege of the Game
    Appears Not to Comprehend Game Fundamentals
    Frag of the Week
    Frag Hall of Fame
    Jump of the Week
    Jump Hall of Fame
    Best Solution
    Wins The Internet
    Whoosh! You done missed the joke thar Cletus!
    Obvious Troll Is Obvious
    DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
    DEMO OR STFU
    Offtopic
    Flamebait
    Redundant
    Factually Challenged
    Preposterously Irrational Arguments
    Blindingly Obvious Logical Fallacies
    Absurd Misconstrual of Scientific Principles or Evidence
    Amazing Conspiracy Theory Bro
    Racist Ignoramus

Ghost9

  • Guest
Re: Pro Gaming?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2007, 01:17:43 PM »
WSVG just folded.  Apparently it wasn't profitable enough.  Gee, what a shock....
  • Insightful
    Informative
    Funny
    Nice Job / Good Work
    Rock On
    Flawless Logic
    Well-Reasoned Argument and/or Conclusion
    Demonstrates Exceptional Knowlege of the Game
    Appears Not to Comprehend Game Fundamentals
    Frag of the Week
    Frag Hall of Fame
    Jump of the Week
    Jump Hall of Fame
    Best Solution
    Wins The Internet
    Whoosh! You done missed the joke thar Cletus!
    Obvious Troll Is Obvious
    DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
    DEMO OR STFU
    Offtopic
    Flamebait
    Redundant
    Factually Challenged
    Preposterously Irrational Arguments
    Blindingly Obvious Logical Fallacies
    Absurd Misconstrual of Scientific Principles or Evidence
    Amazing Conspiracy Theory Bro
    Racist Ignoramus

Offline 10zx

  • Opulent Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2225
  • I pimp this hoe..
    • View Profile
  • Rated:
Re: Pro Gaming?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2007, 11:57:39 AM »
nice post. is it to much to ask to put the nadml on cable : ) i think you could make awesome programming with q2, the movies, the interviews with players, talking about strategy. i'm a little biased but that would be a lot more interesting to me than halo coverage

that would be awesome and appealing for us, unfortunately I think we're all way to spread out.  NADML for example.. the head admins don't live anywhere near each other.

I always said to myself if by chance I won the lottery (in the next couple years of course) I would pay for a LAN and pay for teams to be flew in for a LAN league.  How awesome would that be  ;D
  • Insightful
    Informative
    Funny
    Nice Job / Good Work
    Rock On
    Flawless Logic
    Well-Reasoned Argument and/or Conclusion
    Demonstrates Exceptional Knowlege of the Game
    Appears Not to Comprehend Game Fundamentals
    Frag of the Week
    Frag Hall of Fame
    Jump of the Week
    Jump Hall of Fame
    Best Solution
    Wins The Internet
    Whoosh! You done missed the joke thar Cletus!
    Obvious Troll Is Obvious
    DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
    DEMO OR STFU
    Offtopic
    Flamebait
    Redundant
    Factually Challenged
    Preposterously Irrational Arguments
    Blindingly Obvious Logical Fallacies
    Absurd Misconstrual of Scientific Principles or Evidence
    Amazing Conspiracy Theory Bro
    Racist Ignoramus

Offline X'tyfe

  • Phenomenally Prodigious Member
  • **
  • Posts: 3587
  • Yep
    • View Profile
  • Rated:
Re: Pro Gaming?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2007, 02:08:25 PM »
anyone who thinks there pro is not :D
  • Insightful
    Informative
    Funny
    Nice Job / Good Work
    Rock On
    Flawless Logic
    Well-Reasoned Argument and/or Conclusion
    Demonstrates Exceptional Knowlege of the Game
    Appears Not to Comprehend Game Fundamentals
    Frag of the Week
    Frag Hall of Fame
    Jump of the Week
    Jump Hall of Fame
    Best Solution
    Wins The Internet
    Whoosh! You done missed the joke thar Cletus!
    Obvious Troll Is Obvious
    DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
    DEMO OR STFU
    Offtopic
    Flamebait
    Redundant
    Factually Challenged
    Preposterously Irrational Arguments
    Blindingly Obvious Logical Fallacies
    Absurd Misconstrual of Scientific Principles or Evidence
    Amazing Conspiracy Theory Bro
    Racist Ignoramus

Offline 10zx

  • Opulent Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2225
  • I pimp this hoe..
    • View Profile
  • Rated:
Re: Pro Gaming?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 07:07:31 PM »
Quote from: [BTF]X'tyfe on September 16, 2007, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: [BTF]X'tyfe on September 16, 2007, 02:08:25 PM
anyone who thinks there pro is not :D

lol fact.
  • Insightful
    Informative
    Funny
    Nice Job / Good Work
    Rock On
    Flawless Logic
    Well-Reasoned Argument and/or Conclusion
    Demonstrates Exceptional Knowlege of the Game
    Appears Not to Comprehend Game Fundamentals
    Frag of the Week
    Frag Hall of Fame
    Jump of the Week
    Jump Hall of Fame
    Best Solution
    Wins The Internet
    Whoosh! You done missed the joke thar Cletus!
    Obvious Troll Is Obvious
    DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
    DEMO OR STFU
    Offtopic
    Flamebait
    Redundant
    Factually Challenged
    Preposterously Irrational Arguments
    Blindingly Obvious Logical Fallacies
    Absurd Misconstrual of Scientific Principles or Evidence
    Amazing Conspiracy Theory Bro
    Racist Ignoramus

 

El Box de Shoutamente

Last 10 Shouts:

 

Costigan_Q2

September 21, 2024, 07:35:35 AM
Members
Total Members: 2921
Latest: provider

Date Registered : March 20, 2024

*laughs in slow clapping*
 

RyU

September 03, 2024, 05:15:49 PM
And wow Derrick is still playing lol
 

RyU

September 03, 2024, 05:15:15 PM
Just know yesterday is gone and soon tomorrow will be gone too  :)
 

Lejionator

August 08, 2024, 07:28:01 PM
It's tiem to QuakeCon!!!  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThQd_UJaTys
 

ImperiusDamian

July 26, 2024, 09:34:53 PM
In nomine Quake II et Id Software et Spiritus John Carmack, Amen.
 

QuakeDuke

July 26, 2024, 05:10:30 PM
Hey, shout, summertime blues
Jump up and down in you blue suede shoes
Hey, did you rock and roll? Rock on!!  ...QD
 

Yotematoi

July 24, 2024, 01:31:20 PM
Ayer me mato 5 veces para robarme en la vida real hará lo mismo? [img]<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fzoloyoze.torito%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0wXU2VgS7atesBcSoMz5BWMJCJajeZFVT6GzSU6TtpJGddN9kLTvWNgcZaskkbKFQl&amp;show_text=true&amp;width=500
https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fzoloyoze.torito%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0wXU2VgS7atesBcSoMz5BWMJCJajeZFVT6GzSU6TtpJGddN9kLTvWNgcZaskkbKFQl&show_text=true&width=500" width="500"
 

Yotematoi

July 24, 2024, 01:25:59 PM
hi ya está la basura de Martin, se cambió el nombre es un ladron estupido, asi llegó a 10000[img]<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fzoloyoze.torito%2Fposts%2Fpfbid03hZrkDUBJPZKCuFgy5hRUy831ekKJYVRzC7ajXaKQbJ6xcPgKftLukUDfovFyEq3l&amp;show_text
https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fzoloyoze.torito%2Fposts%2Fpfbid03hZrkDUBJPZKCuFgy5hRUy831ekKJYVRzC7ajXaKQbJ6xcPgKftLukUDfovFyEq3l&show_text
 

Yotematoi

July 24, 2024, 01:25:59 PM
hi ya está la basura de Martin, se cambió el nombre es un ladron estupido, asi llegó a 10000[img]<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fzoloyoze.torito%2Fposts%2Fpfbid03hZrkDUBJPZKCuFgy5hRUy831ekKJYVRzC7ajXaKQbJ6xcPgKftLukUDfovFyEq3l&amp;show_text
https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fzoloyoze.torito%2Fposts%2Fpfbid03hZrkDUBJPZKCuFgy5hRUy831ekKJYVRzC7ajXaKQbJ6xcPgKftLukUDfovFyEq3l&show_text

Show 50 latest
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
September 24, 2024, 08:23:29 AM

Login with username, password and session length