Another aimbot

[[BTF] Reflex]

in the actual match,  you can fast forward to get a slow-mo on these times.

(Im tempted to reinstall windows and see if that gets keygrip up and running again sorry )

6:27  thru  6:19 
4:34  thru  4:26  aproximate finish time as I didnt have a pen to write it down

other examples here n there, but these are the best I could find.

both demonstrate a chain lock on and wobble, 
dead flat till the player is in view,  then wobbles,

the first is the best example,  as its flat till player is in view
wobbles a bit as they are in view.

the player then ducks into that lil cubbyhole where you can look under the rock in the water (under health side)
at which point it goes flat again,  then wobbles again when you can see the player,
but the best part,  and best proof,  is the wobble stops and goes flat imediatly as the player dies.

Im sick to my stomach for being the one to find this again

I had this convo with him later that night, after watching this activity for at least 3 games.
His last with me there was dinsum kicking his ass,  a truely great player.  I wish I had been
spectating him instead of the swine who shows no remorse for ruining this great game.



Visitors defeats Hometeam: 18 - 2

Frt: Fratricides          F  S  E
EK : Enemy Kills       E  r  u  f
 S : Score         S   K  t  i  f
====================================
Visitors          18  18  0  0 90%
Hometeam           2   2  0  0 10%

Timelimit hit.
inf-Capone: gg
inf-Capone: I suck 1v1
[TC]DinSum: gg bot
inf-Capone: thnx
inf-SyiS joined team "Visitors"
inf-SyiS entered the game (clients = 4)
inf-dawg: ya no shit
inf-dawg: LoL
aR|Phyzik: agreed :/
{SX}Reflex: gj din
[TC]DinSum: teehee
inf-AcidBurnn changed name to inf-unt0
{SX}Reflex: want me in for 3's?
inf-unt0: sure
inf-unt0: uve sat how many
inf-unt0: join in
{SX}Reflex joined team "Hometeam"
{SX}Reflex entered the game (clients = 6)
aR|Phyzik connected
{SX}Reflex: Tom want my HPB spot?
Changing to OBSERVER mode.
{SX}Reflex removed from team "Hometeam"
{SX}Reflex: even pings
{SX}Reflex: better game
{SX}Reflex: better game anyhow without the bot
inf-Capone: anyone else beside you in TC Dinsum?
{SX}Reflex: his lover   jk
({SX}Reflex): tc ridix / granny
(inf-Capone): just two people? lol
({SX}Reflex): never seen more
({SX}Reflex): cept jokingly


({SX}Reflex): I dunno where to start with you man..  I hate startin shit
(inf-Capone): who are you talken to?
({SX}Reflex): you
(inf-Capone): what do you mean?
({SX}Reflex): you can play fine..  yet you bot still
(inf-Capone): what?
(inf-Capone): lol
({SX}Reflex): console..  then scroll up if need be
(inf-Capone): not sure what you're talken about man..
({SX}Reflex): its more than apparent in more than one game
(inf-Capone): ok..
({SX}Reflex): unless im way off..  but I dont think I am in this case
(inf-Capone): don't wanta argue with your or anything.. but.. ok
(inf-Capone): alrighty
({SX}Reflex): alrighty.. I aint one to argue either
(inf-Capone): so, you're saying I'm cheating right?
({SX}Reflex): yes..  a bot would constitute a cheat
(inf-Capone): ok, just checking
(inf-Capone): lol
(inf-Capone): just out of curiousity, what made you think that?
({SX}Reflex): watching you
(inf-Capone): anything in specific?
({SX}Reflex): seen demos of you before..  but it was always rail...
(inf-Capone): ok, so my rail looks bot?
({SX}Reflex): I was there for you and bazooka.. and your chaining tipped it
(inf-Capone): heh
(inf-Capone): I guess
(inf-Capone): you watch Dinsums chain? he barely misses a bullet
(inf-Capone): you call him a bot too?
({SX}Reflex): havnt watched him enough...  but I respect him
({SX}Reflex): if I see the same thing I see on you then I will call him on it too
({SX}Reflex): but I doubt that will happen
(inf-Capone): why? just because you're not good and he is?
(inf-Capone): either way, I doubt you're an authority on what's what..
                      but, I actually appreciate it
(inf-Capone): happens a lot of the time that players that are novice can't understand
                      how someone that is far superior does what they do
({SX}Reflex): true.. im not spectacular at the game..  but I like the game
({SX}Reflex): I dont expect what I see to count for a whole lot...
({SX}Reflex): opinions of others mean alot more...
({SX}Reflex): no..  I understand skill..  and seen it a ton..
({SX}Reflex): thats how I know you have it...
({SX}Reflex): but I also know bots
(inf-Capone): let's see you play
(inf-Capone): I'd like to see how you move
(inf-Capone): see how much experience you actually have
({SX}Reflex): I have demos on the forum
(inf-Capone): of yourself?
(inf-Capone): lol
({SX}Reflex): tons..  I like posting when I think I do well
({SX}Reflex): and feel free to watch me in person..  its nothoing too great ill admit
(inf-Capone): just play man
(inf-Capone): what you here for?
(inf-Capone): just play a game, I want to see you play Reflex
{SX}Reflex: ill play..  capone want to see my ownage style
(inf-Capone): join a team Reflex...?

some lines moved up so it would fit the understood context,
and a few typo's fixed,  but nothing to alter what was said

Dael,  if you read this,  a clip of those times would be a big help
and anyone else,   your opinions do mean alot

Fake maSta and any acount matching capones ip aside... as I already have yours

I'd love to be proven wrong here

[randypants]

Hrm not really sure if this is a joke, or if you really think there is an aimbot in this demo, but i saw nothing that even remotely resembled a aimbot. Perhaps he was using somthing in some other match you watched or at least you thought so you were looking at this demo too hard or somthing, but certainly no aimbot here. One thing to look for is how well a person aims when they are being severely threatened and about to die (IF they are using an aimbot sporadically then this would be the times that they would activate it out of desperation). Anyway I don't know the guy and he could be a hacker for all i know, but not in this demo

[[BTF] Reflex]

Perhaps,

[[BTF] Reflex]

Demo from in the bot-drop thread,  same player

http://tastyspleen.net/quake/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4208.0;id=3220

chain early on 9:35 - 9:29

does the same lock and wobble..  and goes completely flat the instant the player is
out of view and on the elevator fully.

another,  quite short,  but still there in his chain
6:00 - 5:58

It loses it's lock sporadicly, and has a wobble intentionally to look more human

just something else to look at and consider.
I use a timescale .1 to help identify it

the wobble can be noticeable at regular speed,
but the better tip-offs come from slow motion.

[[BTF]Defiant!]

I was on watched him play on the suggestion of another player, but didn't see anything conclusive.

Watched the linked demo in slow-mo and I didn't see anything conclusive.

Def

[[BTF] Reflex]

TY too Defiant for having a look.

I had previously wanted to be proven wrong on this.
and 2 to 1 against is getting pretty strong against.
but after re evaluating what I have,  I dont think I can be swayed.

it is there

[naymlis]

i agree with reflex, i think this dudes toggling a bot.. i actually played some dude named "inf-baked" last night and he was obviously botting.. hitting 80% chaingun in crazy angles (outside mega on arena ledge when im on the bottom underneith).. so it was either this same dude or untouch using this dude's bot. :\

ban?

[[BTF] Reflex]

thnx for having a look Naym,

Did you still kick his ass?

[us/3r]

bot.

Does he ever turn it off when he uses the ssg?

[[BTF] Reflex]

Just had another look at this,
still feel the same

I got keygrip working, heres a demo with just the times I mentioned
I play each clip several times
need a timescale .1 bind to see it it happens so quick on the first one

there's another demo of him, Ill just add the clip here if I do it.

*EDIT  hehe,  second one done to...

 first clip shows the wobble and cutoff. The second, well,  come on.

again timescale .1 

[[BTF]Defiant!]

Pretty strong evidence.

Def

[[BTF] Reflex]

yeah, just too late

or is he still around? 

[Ghost9]

Well I haven't watched the demo, but the guy never denies it in his conversation with reflex.  He seems curious about how he was detected, and then he gets defensive, challenging reflex.  It just seemed to me like he acted in a way that someone who was just busted would act.