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« Reply #150 on: October 04, 2008, 09:56:46 AM »
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« Reply #151 on: October 04, 2008, 11:31:41 AM »
Inexperienced Illinois Senator, indeed.
He was never a Senator.
He was elected to the House but failed in his bid for the Senate.
He was a Republican. The first Republican president.
The Republican party was an abolishonist party.

As President he presided over a civil war that killed more Americans than any war before or since.
A war that was instigated in response to his promise in his presidential campaign to ensure that no new states would be admitted to the union as slave states. He wanted to Change America.

If he had had more experience the war might have been much shorter, instead he went through a long series of unsuccessful generals in command of Union forces until appointing Ulyses S. Grant who undertook a war of attrition costing many lives on both sides.

He suspended habeas corpus.

He signed the death warrants for 38 Sioux who were hanged in 1862 after the Minnesota uprising.
The largest single mass execution in American history.

He signed the Emancipation Proclamation for very pragmatic reasons.
1. To discourage England from joining the war on the Confederate side.
2. To allow the negros in the north to fight in the Union army.
3. To abolish slavery in the occupied territories of the secessionist states.
4. To promote general unrest in the slave populations of the secessionist states.
5. To fulfill his stated goal of ensuring no more slave states would be created and to abolish slavery on his own terms.

Inexperience may lead to greatness, but at what cost?
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« Reply #152 on: October 04, 2008, 12:12:29 PM »
Dammit I was being facetious
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« Reply #153 on: October 04, 2008, 03:42:41 PM »
Abraham Lincoln Political Career

He served four successive terms in the Illinois House of Representatives as a representative from Sangamon County.

Lincoln was elected to a term in the U.S. House of Representatives in 1846.

Elected President in 1860 and re-elected President in 1864.
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Re: The Official Obama Bashing Thread
« Reply #154 on: October 07, 2008, 05:11:09 AM »
I do not like political jokes.

Because, they usually get elected.
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« Reply #155 on: October 07, 2008, 06:13:33 AM »
I do not like political jokes.

Because, they usually get elected.

I know, really! They're all a joke. I wish at some point Ashton Kutcher would jump out from behind a bush, do his little retarded dance, and say, "HAHA, AMERICA! YOU GOT PUNK'D!"
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« Reply #156 on: October 07, 2008, 08:32:39 AM »
Did qwazy seriously find a way to down play the greatness of Abraham Lincoln???You're right..the war killed more Americans than any other war..but where would we be without that war??Certainly not the most powerful and most free nation in the world....and just as easily as you can claim he signed the emancipation for practical reason I can claim he signed them for moral and ethical reasons. Maybe I read to much into but it almost seemed that you are ultimately against the Civil war...in which case I must ask, if you are against that war and what it caused, then how can you support the Iraq war??(maybe i've got you confused but I seem to remember you taking the side of McCain on most of the issues and not that of Obama)

Also, for those who are using the word of communism as some sinful idea..then you're wrong?Like dahang said it is a failed ideology...but its initial intent, and the intent of any true marxist is still that of a world in which we are all equals, with no class to seperate us and in the end no government to control us. So generally speaking, someone who is a true marxist is probably a pretty good guy who still has faith in that system of government to work like it was intended to :)
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« Reply #157 on: October 07, 2008, 08:53:32 AM »
qwazy's a racist
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« Reply #158 on: October 07, 2008, 08:58:16 AM »
FLAME ON!!!!

That's too hot to touch Jager


*edit to add.....    you sarcastic bastid! :nana:
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« Reply #159 on: October 07, 2008, 10:50:27 PM »
Well, let me see. Do we respond to the claim that I am a racist first or that I was denegrating (oops) Abraham Lincoln's achievements as an Inexperienced President. Or shall I respond to the claim that citing the fact that the Civil War killed more Americans than any other implies that I am against the Civil War and it follows that if anyone is against the Civil War they ought to be against the Iraq war or vice versa.

1. I never experienced racism until my junior year in college. I was a member of the broadcasters club at the school and we had a short-range FM radio station and I was one of the DJs, this was in 1975. My partner was black from Detroit and was a year behind me in age. I am white and was brought up in the nearly-all-white suburbs of another city midwest, not in Michigan, precisely where is irrelevant. We got along just fine and we had a nice gig going in our time slot. One day, we decided to get lunch and jaunt around town in my car. After lunch we were seeing the sights and generally hanging out. The car was a convertible. We stopped at a traffic light and there were some black kids our age standing on the corner. They yelled at my passenger, flipped him off and called him Uncle Tom. The light changed, we moved on. I asked him WTF? He said "Nothin' man, keep moving." I had to look it up later to figure it out. I had never heard of Uncle Tom before. It turned out the real racists were black that day.

2. The Civil War was inevitable no matter who was president. While the moral high ground may have been his, it was Lincoln's speeches on slavery and his making it his policy that if elected he would be against admitting any new slave states that caused the secessions of the southern states upon his election so one could say he precipitated the war. If the south had not seceded and caused the north to respond with force of arms, slavery in the south might have lasted another generation but it was inevitable that slavery should end one way or another. The war, and the south's defeat, actually hastened the process of abolition. What's interesting is that blacks who owe abolition to the Republicans tend to be regarded as voting more for Democrats, the common misconception that "conservative" is equivalent to racist or something. Maybe that is/was true in southern states but I don't think there were many Republicans in office down there until more recently since being a white Republican in the south would be equivalent to being "One of Them Damn Yankees".

Weren't George Wallace and Jesse Helms both Democrats? There's some nice racists for you.

There is no logical connection between the Civil War and it's causes and the Iraq war and it's causes.

It's not a question of down playing Lincoln's greatness. It a matter of seeing him and his actions and policies in the reality of their history and consequences. Facts can get in the way when our heros have feet of clay.

I never supported the Iraq war. I thought it was a mistake to go there when it was clear to me at the time that the real center of conflict ought to be Afghanistan/Pakistan and Iran since that's where Al Quaida was. GWB made a huge mistake trying to re-fight daddy's war but I suspect Saddam scared the shit out of the Saudis and they needed him taken out. Lots of phone calls from the good old boys from Rhiyad, no doubt.

I am in favor of McCain's idea that staying there and helping to fix what we helped break is better than some artificial timetable for withdrawl to satisfy the masses. Just another example of vote buying. However, anyone with kids in the armed forces has my sympathy. It's going to be a tough next couple of years. Even if Obama gets elected, it will be at least two years before the beginning of any withdrawl.

FYI, my ancestry in the New World goes back to a young Englishman who came from Hingham, Norwich, Norfolk in 1635 and began his life on this continent at the ripe old age of 25 as a carpenter, mason and general contractor in Boston. He married the ship captain's daughter and was NOT a member of the Puritan church and therefore could not vote. He was made a "freedman" in his 40's and lived to be some 70+ years old. My ancestral grandfathers and uncles fought and died as volunteers in the Revolutionary Army under George Washington and at least one served as Ensign during the war of 1812. Another generation served again in the Iowa Volunteers during the Civil War. My grandfather served during WWI, my father fought in WWII and my Great Grandmother was Sioux. I am 13th generation American and part Native American. And that ain't no bull.

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« Reply #160 on: October 08, 2008, 02:22:16 AM »

Read this in the paper a couple days ago... "The Economist's poll of economists"

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127

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A survey of academic economists by The Economist finds the majority—at times by overwhelming margins—believe Mr Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers. [...] Eighty per cent of respondents and no fewer than 71% of those who do not cleave to either main party say Mr Obama has a better grasp of economics. Even among Republicans Mr Obama has the edge: 46% versus 23% say Mr Obama has the better grasp of the subject.


Hmmm... looking at the raw data, however, it does appear the responses were still rather split along party lines.  Although, the "unaffiliated" respondents did mostly favor Obama's plan.

Oh well - not trying to make a huge deal of it, just thought it was interesting.

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« Reply #161 on: October 08, 2008, 05:10:20 AM »
qwazy is too intense for me
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« Reply #162 on: October 08, 2008, 08:27:26 AM »
qwazy is too intense for me

 I'm :LolLolLolLol: having fun  :violent: being intense.
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« Reply #163 on: October 08, 2008, 04:59:19 PM »
Just saying Ireland has a 20 percent tax rate on business so we will make ours 15 percent only goes so far (Evidenced by the last 8 years.).  Like almost everything, it's not black and white, and there is a lot more going on than just taxes.

If you could have one simple plan doing just that, the governemnt's job would be pretty easy.  Unfortunately that's not the way the real world works.

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« Reply #164 on: October 08, 2008, 09:30:48 PM »
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Just saying Ireland has a 20 percent tax rate on business so we will make ours 15 percent only goes so far (Evidenced by the last 8 years.). 

it seems like someone puts out "6 minutes abs", and then the other guy goes.. let's make "five minute abs".

maybe time for a change

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I don't know, just seems like a good plan to me to mix things up, hook up the middle class, really invest in energy, things like that
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