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« Reply #150 on: July 16, 2007, 01:02:08 PM »
Eh,just go back and read the thread,im not gonna quote half the stuff thats already been said...one example off the top of my head is something to the extent of "those who take part in religion are less evolved blah blah blah".
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« Reply #151 on: July 17, 2007, 06:11:26 AM »
Less evolved? No.

On a broad scale, less intelligent? Yes.

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« Reply #152 on: July 17, 2007, 11:45:21 AM »
Why would you be ridiculed?

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« Reply #153 on: July 17, 2007, 01:22:00 PM »
You'd think after this many years of evolution (yes, evolution), we'd be enlightened enough as a race of humans to see that ultimately, we are all stuck on this planet together.

Eh,just go back and read the thread,im not gonna quote half the stuff thats already been said...one example off the top of my head is something to the extent of "those who take part in religion are less evolved blah blah blah".

If comprehension was a one of your strong points, you wouldn't be ridiculed  :eek: . I made it clear that I wasn't singling you out. Perhaps if you actually read what other people said instead of glossing over it, catching a few choice words and making assumptions based on those few words you see, people would put more weight on what you have to say on the matter. Read the post in its entirety instead of picking out words you think are aimed at you in order to make yourself look like the target.

I wasn't bashing you specifically, I was bashing the idea of religion itself (be it Christian or Muslim or whatever). If you try to put what I said out of context, thats when I will bash on you.  :ugly_08:

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Re: another terrorist attack
« Reply #154 on: July 17, 2007, 02:59:15 PM »
Less evolved? No.

On a broad scale, less intelligent? Yes.

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Why would you be ridiculed?

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Look up  :busted:

I wasn't ridiculing anyone. I was correcting the rather harsh statement of "religious people are less evolved". It shouldn't have been put that way.
 
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« Reply #155 on: July 18, 2007, 05:57:54 AM »
You'd think after this many years of evolution (yes, evolution), we'd be enlightened enough as a race of humans to see that ultimately, we are all stuck on this planet together.

Eh,just go back and read the thread,im not gonna quote half the stuff thats already been said...one example off the top of my head is something to the extent of "those who take part in religion are less evolved blah blah blah".

If comprehension was a one of your strong points, you wouldn't be ridiculed
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« Reply #156 on: July 18, 2007, 07:24:32 AM »
Troll I think that's the difficulty people have with some religious people, in having discussions, relationships or anything.  Typically a strong religious person, cannot step away from their beliefs and not take things personal.  In my dealings with those of strong faith, they cannot see past what they deem to be the 'right' based on their faith.  If the bible and church says so, then by god it must be followed.  Even though it absolutely doesn't make sense.  The essence of faith is to follow and not deviate from that path.

I can totally see how the comments from the group have bothered you, but can you see how difficult a time others have in dealing with the faithful?  Speaking as a some what rational person, I really didn't see anyone attacking you or bashing you directly - if they did, I would call it out.  I think what we are seeing is the difficultly in communication between the nonbelievers and the faithful.

Your thoughts and comments are respect, keep em coming.
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« Reply #157 on: July 18, 2007, 08:10:22 AM »
Hmm, and I wonder why I dont like most of the people in BTF....so lemme get this straight, I should be perfectly ok with you bashing my religion as long as you dont mention my name??Thats like saying its ok to make fun of someones family as long as you dont specifically mention that person's name...yea,real good point
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« Reply #158 on: July 18, 2007, 10:50:55 AM »
Why is it that people can say the most hateful things regarding politics/sports/service at a resaurant or store/quake 2 on this forum/pretty much anything, but when it comes to religion it should be 100% off limits? Why should it be ANY different?

You've hit on the very crux of my earlier posts, DaHanG. I've seen certain people here on these forums get away with rather gross generalizations and criticisms such as:

I'm thinking that for centuries, the Koran is a pure and unedited document. This is one of the selling points to supposedly give it credit over other religious scriptures. I expect it to stay that way and always be the Extremists' handbook/guide to terror, forever.

OR

The cartoon came originally from Denmark which is Christian I believe. I suppose we could add Catholic as well if this adds any clarity. But I think you get the point. As far as being helpful, it wasn't intended to. I don't find blowing up the citizens in the country in which you live, because of your religious sickness, particularly helpful either. In fact, the western world is getting rather pissed off by it.
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« Reply #159 on: July 18, 2007, 12:28:34 PM »
Hmm, and I wonder why I dont like most of the people in BTF....so lemme get this straight, I should be perfectly ok with you bashing my religion as long as you dont mention my name??Thats like saying its ok to make fun of someones family as long as you dont specifically mention that person's name...yea,real good point
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« Reply #160 on: July 18, 2007, 01:18:57 PM »
>> To the first paragraph: Something that I remember my Social Science Prof. saying was that you should never mock someones religion because it defines them as a person, this is where they derive their morals, their values, and how they should live.

So in other words, all people who don't believe in a creator are without morals and without any good direction?  That's pretty silly, because I know many people who don't believe in a creator and are very nice people, including me.
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« Reply #161 on: July 18, 2007, 01:27:55 PM »
I don't think that was his point - more along the lines that a religious person, in part, defines themselves by their religion.  So by attacking or bashing it, then you are in essence of doing the same to them.  They are a homogenous mixture of stuff.

This is why it is difficult for a nonbeliever to speak with the faithful, because they cannot separate the two.  Meaning, religion is part of who they are - it would be like yelling at a dog for doing dog 'like' things.  They are in essence part of the higher power, there is no separation between the two.  Hence why all actions and decisions are partly based on the notion of what would a faithful person choose.  Which can be completely logical or illogical, based on the circumstance.
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« Reply #162 on: July 18, 2007, 01:30:21 PM »
Troll, I think the main point people are making here is that not all of the bible is reliable for living a high quality life.  We don't know even know many of the people who changed the bible over the years.  I'd say many of the bible verses are good, but not all.  I would say "Love your neighbour as you love yourself" is the most important philosophical verse ever.
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« Reply #163 on: July 18, 2007, 01:34:38 PM »
lidz, define "choice", I'll bet you any sum of money you'll come back to the idea of free will, and there's lots of evidence to discredit that idea.  Perfect example: doing things you don't expect, such as shooting your teammate in quake 2 or any other game.
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« Reply #164 on: July 18, 2007, 02:10:16 PM »
You'd think after this many years of evolution (yes, evolution), we'd be enlightened enough as a race of humans to see that ultimately, we are all stuck on this planet together.

Eh,just go back and read the thread,im not gonna quote half the stuff thats already been said...one example off the top of my head is something to the extent of "those who take part in religion are less evolved blah blah blah".

If comprehension was a one of your strong points, you wouldn't be ridiculed  :eek: . I made it clear that I wasn't singling you out. Perhaps if you actually read what other people said instead of glossing over it, catching a few choice words and making assumptions based on those few words you see, people would put more weight on what you have to say on the matter. Read the post in its entirety instead of picking out words you think are aimed at you in order to make yourself look like the target.

I wasn't bashing you specifically, I was bashing the idea of religion itself (be it Christian or Muslim or whatever). If you try to put what I said out of context, thats when I will bash on you.  :ugly_08:



Hmm, and I wonder why I dont like most of the people in BTF....so lemme get this straight, I should be perfectly ok with you bashing my religion as long as you dont mention my name??Thats like saying its ok to make fun of someones family as long as you dont specifically mention that person's name...yea,real good point  :miffed:

This is why its impossible to even discuss things of this nature with people that follow religion in the first place. I think a better analogy for this is: You feeling your sports team is the best in the league, while I laugh/disagree with the sport itself. But apparently doing that means that I am only hating on your team. As for this being the reason you don't like most of the BTF people, I won't even comment on that because it isn't part of this discussion.

I don't think that was his point - more along the lines that a religious person, in part, defines themselves by their religion.  So by attacking or bashing it, then you are in essence of doing the same to them.  They are a homogenous mixture of stuff.

This is why it is difficult for a nonbeliever to speak with the faithful, because they cannot separate the two.  Meaning, religion is part of who they are - it would be like yelling at a dog for doing dog 'like' things.  They are in essence part of the higher power, there is no separation between the two.  Hence why all actions and decisions are partly based on the notion of what would a faithful person choose.  Which can be completely logical or illogical, based on the circumstance.

I think lidz is spot on here.

So in other words, all people who don't believe in a creator are without morals and without any good direction?  That's pretty silly, because I know many people who don't believe in a creator and are very nice people, including me.

Thats part of the reason its hard to debate stuff like this with people. Since they start off with the stance that they are ALREADY on the high ground, that anyone disagreeing is already a bad person for not believing.

Troll, if you want to believe I'm questioning your intelligence because you are religious, go right ahead. I didn't start questioning your intelligence until you started trying to paraphrase what I said out of context.  :erhmmm:
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