Ye Religion Thread

[reaper]

I hear ya. But that really doesn't bother me near as much as the peole that "DO" believe in God, but choose not to folow him or accept him.

if god exists, and there is an afterlife and judges me negativley, then he was not the god i wanted to follow in the first place, so .. so be it

[[BTF]DeathStalker]

I hear ya. But that really doesn't bother me near as much as the peole that "DO" believe in God, but choose not to folow him or accept him.

if god exists, and there is an afterlife and judges me negativley, then he was not the god i wanted to follow in the first place, so .. so be it

How could he judge you negativley if you followd his teachings. That's all he is asking.
And if someone doesn't "know" about his teachings they will most ceartainly be "informed" about them after the second coming. Really, the only way to be judged negativeley is to "know" he and jesus exsists and "still" turn them down.
Or to commet suiside
Them are really the only 2 ways.

[quadz]

How could he judge you negativley if you followd his teachings. That's all he is asking.
And if someone doesn't "know" about his teachings they will most ceartainly be "informed" about them after the second coming. Really, the only way to be judged negativeley is to "know" he and jesus exsists and "still" turn them down.
Or to commet suiside
Them are really the only 2 ways.

But this would only make sense if you were one of those folks who believed their particular chosen mythology was the One True Mythology.

What about all the other folks who believe their sacred texts represent the One True Mythology?


    

[cyberneticimplant]

I hear ya. But that really doesn't bother me near as much as the peole that "DO" believe in God, but choose not to folow him or accept him.

if god exists, and there is an afterlife and judges me negativley, then he was not the god i wanted to follow in the first place, so .. so be it

How could he judge you negativley if you followd his teachings. That's all he is asking.
And if someone doesn't "know" about his teachings they will most ceartainly be "informed" about them after the second coming. Really, the only way to be judged negativeley is to "know" he and jesus exsists and "still" turn them down.
Or to commet suiside
Them are really the only 2 ways.

Yeah, follow his teachings. Here are some things you should do according to the Bible.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

 

Kill Witches

    You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

 

Kill Homosexuals
    "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

 

Kill Fortunetellers

    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

 

Death for Hitting Dad

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

 

Death for Cursing Parents

    1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness.  (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

    2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

 

Death for Adultery

    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

 

Death for Fornication

    A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

 

Death to Followers of Other Religions

    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.  (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

 

Kill Nonbelievers

    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

 

Kill False Prophets

    If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord."  When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.  (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

 

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

 

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

    But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)

 

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

    1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

 

    2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden.  When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.  (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

 

Death for Blasphemy

    One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

 

Kill False Prophets

    1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,  and the predicted signs or miracles take place.  If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them.  The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul.  Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone.  Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.  The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt.  Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.  (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

 

    2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.'  You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?'  If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message.  That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared.  (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

 

Infidels and Gays Should Die

    So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired.  As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.  Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies.  So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever.  Amen.  That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires.  Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.  And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other.  Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.  When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.  Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.  They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful.  They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents.  They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving.  They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway.  And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.  (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

 

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

    For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites.  You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment.  They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it.  Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again.  Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.'  (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

 

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

    The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'  (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

[[BTF]DeathStalker]

How could he judge you negativley if you followd his teachings. That's all he is asking.
And if someone doesn't "know" about his teachings they will most ceartainly be "informed" about them after the second coming. Really, the only way to be judged negativeley is to "know" he and jesus exsists and "still" turn them down.
Or to commet suiside
Them are really the only 2 ways.

But this would only make sense if you were one of those folks who believed their particular chosen mythology was the One True Mythology.

What about all the other folks who believe their sacred texts represent the One True Mythology?


 

Well I don't know about the other ones. But the Bible has taught me that during the second coming that all will be revealed, that you will be shown the truth, and at that time you can then (knowing the truth) accept Christ or reject Christ. Now that makes me feel preaty darn good concerning my fellow man. I can only wounder about those other Religions. Do they have a way of redemption in case "they" die before knowing the truth??? I would hope so. Other wise that would be mean.

[[BTF]DeathStalker]

Geez, you gona pull all that out.
Am I gona have to pull out everything that Jesus taught.
That's a bunch of Old Testoment stuff. Jesus rebuked all of that.

[cyberneticimplant]

Geez, you gona pull all that out.
Am I gona have to pull out everything that Jesus taught.
That's a bunch of Old Testoment stuff. Jesus rebuked all of that.

Sure he did.

What Would Jesus Do?

Advocate child abuse and murder amongst many other cruelties.

    Christians are always claiming,

[[BTF]DeathStalker]

Deer Lord:
It's much to late at night for me to reply to all that. And I know you really don't want me to stay up any later.
I thank you for the words you've given me thus far. I will get back to this when I have had some sleep and have a clear mind.

Wait. . . .

Ok, God has given me a little more here.

Small reply:
You see what i've written above, "And I know you really don't want me to stay up any later" AND "Ok, God has given me a little more here".
Do you know how I "know" these things?
It's the Holy Spirit.
You can actually "feel" it. When he speeks to you, you can "feel" that it's him talking.
When you have the Holy Spirit, you have a direct link to God. In computer terms, it would be what you would consider a direct private IP address.
Or his phone # perhaps. It is a direct link to him.

Oh, and in case someone wants to rebuke that by saying "so the only way to talk to God is through the Holy Spirit?"
Anyone can talk to him. The Holy Spirit just gives you a stonger connection.

Oh and BTW, he told me I could say that to.

Good Night and have a nice day tomarrow.

 

[DaHanG]

1. The big bang:
Put a stick of Dynamite in the middle of the street. Pile on top of it metal, screws, glass, plastic, bolts, nuts, rubber, and anything else you think should be on it. Light the fuse and let it explode. Do you have a brand new shiny car ? Hell no !!! You've got a really large pile of junk that's just been scattered everywhere by the explosion.

what a gross oversimplification. clearly you have not properly investigated the big bang theory. let me first point out a problem with your "improbability of life arising naturally" theory. consider that there are (scientifically estimated) 1 billion planets per galaxy, and over 100 billion galaxies in the universe. with the assumption that complex life arising naturally is one in a billion, there are theoretically over 100 billion oppurtunities to accomplish this. darwinism elegantly explains how it is possible, and it is clear there is no need for any supernatural elements to intervene. evolution through natural selection is actually stunningly simple, and not based on chance but the exact opposite.

however improbable a shiny car (a complex machine) coming out of a pile of metal, screws, glass, plastic, bolts, nuts, rubber, etc. - it is far more improbable for the most complex being imaginable (god) to have 'always been' or 'came out of nothing'. it may be a simpler concept that "god just did it", but looking at it closer, it's much harder to logically accept.

[DaHanG]

This is a fallacy. God cannot love everyone and send people to hell at the same time. Also, if he loved us he wouldn't let us suffer.

First of all, God doesn't send anyone to Hell. People choose it, weather knowingly or not. But all will have one last chance to avoid it after the 2nd coming.

Secondly, I will gladly suffer, it makes me a stonger person. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger. Also, suffering on earth is a result of Satin, he want people to say what you just said. He likes it.
Not only that, ask anyone that is a "true" believer how much they suffered before coming to God.

does people starving to death in Africa make them stronger? the free will theodicy certainly did not make me turn from religion, but the theodicy of suffering to shape character is ignorant beyond reason. it's a shame lack of independent thinking (believing in satan/hell/etc. because a book says it's true etc.) is still a huge problem in america. the power of indoctrinating the young when they're vulnerable is a terrible form of child abuse.

asking a born again christian how much they suffered before they found jesus certainly has credibility. it only takes faith, because that alone will change a person. faith in what doesn't matter, if you wake up knowing your day is going to go smooth, it will, and you're free. it wasn't jesus, it was your very optimistic state of mind.

[quadz]

Do you know how I "know" these things?
It's the Holy Spirit.
You can actually "feel" it. When he speeks to you, you can "feel" that it's him talking.

Yeah, but...

Since we can't have each other's exact experiences, there doesn't seem to be a conclusive refutation for that.

[DaHanG]

How could he judge you negativley if you followd his teachings. That's all he is asking.

exactly, a simple request of Allah shouldn't be that hard to meet.

[DaHanG]

Do you know how I "know" these things?
It's the Holy Spirit.
You can actually "feel" it. When he speeks to you, you can "feel" that it's him talking.
When you have the Holy Spirit, you have a direct link to God. In computer terms, it would be what you would consider a direct private IP address.
Or his phone # perhaps. It is a direct link to him.

wow...just wow. completely evading some of the negative things in the bible while claiming to be directly communicating with the holy spirit. COMPLETELY brainwashed 

[DaHanG]

Do you know how I "know" these things?
It's the Holy Spirit.
You can actually "feel" it. When he speeks to you, you can "feel" that it's him talking.

Yeah, but...

Since we can't have each other's exact experiences, there doesn't seem to be a conclusive refutation for that.  All I can think to say is that our brains are all constructed similarly, and there are bound to be many folks out there having similar experiences.  It seems a safe bet that even if we could all have the exact same experience that convinced one person of God's existence beyond doubt, there would be others who interpreted the experience differently and arrived at different conclusions.

I.e. I expect I do have the same category of experience you're alluding to, yet while you interpret it as God talking to you, I would interpret the experience differently.

i've thought of this concept. i've experienced what many would call 'religious' experiences although i am an atheist. there should be an experiment done on the brain to see if the same areas are lighting up when a scientist marvels at the cosmos, or when a christian feels jesus is the reason for a miraculous event in his/her life. i am guessing that these experiences are basically the same, just a different way to interpret as you said quadz. or should i say godz. :>

 

[quadz]

as you said quadz. or should i say godz. :>

Snort!