Quote from: [BTF]EyEsTrAiN on November 19, 2008, 12:02:28 PM"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not, none will suffice." I've heard that before, can you tell me who said it? It's true regardless of which side of discussion you're on.
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not, none will suffice."
I was watching Fox 4 news this morning and they had a small story on the Texas School Board looking to vote on a tough (and in my opinian very stupid) issue.Talk about someone trying to shove something down someone's throat.Here's a Blog that i'm quoting here on it from a this news guy.Quote from: adrianarambulo's Blog by adrianarambulo from Dallas, TexasLife Lesson: Evolution or Else?Nov 19, 2008 | 8:55 AM PSTCategory: News Featured On: MyFoxDFWThe Texas Board of Education takes on a touchy topic today. And, ultimately, it will determine: *How to teach children about how life started on this planet.* Hundreds of science professors say: if we keep doing what we've been doing, then we're hurting our children's chances at succeeding in college and later in life.Right now-- public schools teach the theory of evolution. Teachers and students consider the strengths AND weaknesses of the idea (including alternative concepts). It's been that way for years. Most board members believe this is the way to go. New science standards will likely be set for next year.But-- 95 percent of university level science professors say schools should ONLY teach evolution... forget the alternatives... forget strengths and weaknesses. A group called the Texas Freedom Network put the study together.More than 400 (public and private university) professors took the survey. They say: they believe teaching kids concepts-- other than evolution-- "harms" their college readiness and makes them less able to compete for jobs in the future.And the study makes sure to mention-- these professors help determine who gets into their schools.So what should the board of education do? Make sure science teachers stick to the current lesson plan? Or "evolve" science lesson plans into "Evolution Only"? Would that change what you teach your kids at home? Look forward to hearing from you.And if I understand this corectlyTeaching people anything other than Evolution or teaching it as anything other than pure fact makes them to stupid to get a good job or to go to school ???
Life Lesson: Evolution or Else?Nov 19, 2008 | 8:55 AM PSTCategory: News Featured On: MyFoxDFWThe Texas Board of Education takes on a touchy topic today. And, ultimately, it will determine: *How to teach children about how life started on this planet.* Hundreds of science professors say: if we keep doing what we've been doing, then we're hurting our children's chances at succeeding in college and later in life.Right now-- public schools teach the theory of evolution. Teachers and students consider the strengths AND weaknesses of the idea (including alternative concepts). It's been that way for years. Most board members believe this is the way to go. New science standards will likely be set for next year.But-- 95 percent of university level science professors say schools should ONLY teach evolution... forget the alternatives... forget strengths and weaknesses. A group called the Texas Freedom Network put the study together.More than 400 (public and private university) professors took the survey. They say: they believe teaching kids concepts-- other than evolution-- "harms" their college readiness and makes them less able to compete for jobs in the future.And the study makes sure to mention-- these professors help determine who gets into their schools.So what should the board of education do? Make sure science teachers stick to the current lesson plan? Or "evolve" science lesson plans into "Evolution Only"? Would that change what you teach your kids at home? Look forward to hearing from you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200qAsgpfwU
He said theism wasn't a religion..
Science classes are a "required" class.So therefore teachers would be required to teach ALL kids that Evolution is indeed FACT and no other theory of lifes origin is valid.Because notice that they do not want the pros and cons of Evolution taught. This can only mean that they want it taught as for sure fact.
In a science class, the only things being discussed should be under the realm of evidence and observation. If you know of a theory other than evolution that meets such criteria to explain life, I'd like to here it. Otherwise, you're talking about something other than science, and is therefore not of use to a science class.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 19, 2008, 07:28:47 PMScience classes are a "required" class.So therefore teachers would be required to teach ALL kids that Evolution is indeed FACT and no other theory of lifes origin is valid.Because notice that they do not want the pros and cons of Evolution taught. This can only mean that they want it taught as for sure fact.no, it is fact. some people just flat out don't like the fact that its going to be taught without an alternative.
EDIT: quadz, I hate the use of the terms omnipotent and omniscient God. To me, omnipotence is an oxymoron in (more than just) the physical realm, and omniscience is impossible given free will. I'm not starting a debate, just commenting here and there.
Quote from: metaL on November 19, 2008, 07:17:28 PMEDIT: quadz, I hate the use of the terms omnipotent and omniscient God. To me, omnipotence is an oxymoron in (more than just) the physical realm, and omniscience is impossible given free will. I'm not starting a debate, just commenting here and there.Yeah, I was actually recalling our prior discussion on that subject when I used those terms. But I think many theists do believe on an omni-* god, which comes in handy when one wants to point out the innumerable things such a god could trivially make happen.
absolutely NO macro evolutionary evidence exists.
And i'm pretty sure no one actually observed any either. So therefor Evolution should go aswell based on that.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 19, 2008, 07:37:43 PMabsolutely NO macro evolutionary evidence exists.Apart from the mountains and mountains of such evidence?Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 19, 2008, 07:37:43 PMAnd i'm pretty sure no one actually observed any either. So therefor Evolution should go aswell based on that.Um, no. There is as much archaeological evidence that evolution happened, as there is that ancient Greece existed.[1] Does the theory of ancient Greece's existence have to "go aswell" ?Regards,