Try as hard as you can to imagine yourself actually imploring the most Great and Holy Easter Bunny to deliver you safe from harm. Could you do it?
Honestly, debating about that phrase is pretty ridiculous.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on January 02, 2009, 10:04:29 PM"there are no athiest's in foxholes"There is only one meaning this statement has.It's only sayed because people in those dire situations and being scared for their lives alot of athiests have been witnessed praying to God for their lived. Thats it, nothing more.From my point of view, "that's it, nothing more" doesn't quite cut it.For example:"There are no terminally ill atheists who won't convert to Christianity their deathbed."It's only said because people who claimed to not believe in god have been witnessed on their deathbed praying to God for their life. That's it, nothing more."There are no priests who aren't child molesters."It's only said because priests have been witnessed to be child molesters. That's it, nothing more."There are no Christians who wouldn't kill employees at an abortion clinic."It's only said because Christians have been witnessed to kill staff at abortion clinics. That's it, nothing more....Riiiiight?
"there are no athiest's in foxholes"There is only one meaning this statement has.It's only sayed because people in those dire situations and being scared for their lives alot of athiests have been witnessed praying to God for their lived. Thats it, nothing more.
I've never been in a foxhole, thankfully. But consider the testimony of the atheists who have. Can you imagine yourself in a dire situation suddenly pleading for the Easter Bunny to save you? Try as hard as you can to imagine yourself actually imploring the most Great and Holy Easter Bunny to deliver you safe from harm. Could you do it?
A few smart asses coined that term in an effort to be sarcastic or to try and prove a point in a sarcastic manner.
Ok so let me get this right. You believe that when someone says these things that they are NOT saying them for the reasons that you listed but that they say those things because they really believe that and that they are NOT saying them to simply be sarcastic ???
1. The Easter Bunny is written and promoted as fiction.2. The Bible and all other works pertaining to God as Christians know him was written and promoted as non-fiction and believed to be true.3. The Easter Bunny is believed by the majority of people to be fiction.4. God is believed by 70 some odd % of the population to be fact.5. The Easter bunny (that I know of) has never been known to be great and holy.So clearly your analogy is impossible to be a fair analogy and cannot be considered for actual consideration.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on January 03, 2009, 06:17:11 PMA few smart asses coined that term in an effort to be sarcastic or to try and prove a point in a sarcastic manner.That is the problem. The context I typicially hear it used is where someone thinks they have offered a profound insight (i.e. thinks they have 'proved' a point.)
oh i fully understand you using that analagy and why. Not trying to debate really.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on January 03, 2009, 09:09:24 PMoh i fully understand you using that analagy and why. Not trying to debate really.But then, do you still claim: "clearly your analogy is impossible to be a fair analogy and cannot be considered for actual consideration."Because I assure you, if you would like to try to empathize with my viewpoint for a moment, it is most assuredly a fair analogy and must be considered for actual consideration.
Quote from: quadz on January 03, 2009, 09:37:50 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on January 03, 2009, 09:09:24 PMoh i fully understand you using that analagy and why. Not trying to debate really.But then, do you still claim: "clearly your analogy is impossible to be a fair analogy and cannot be considered for actual consideration."Yes I do.A more fair analogy would have used a character of some form of deity that has some sort of possibilty of existance that would have to be based on faith such as Zeus or even Di-cang since nothing has "proved" that they don't exist, same as God.The Easter Bunny can be traced to it's fictional roots.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on January 03, 2009, 09:09:24 PMoh i fully understand you using that analagy and why. Not trying to debate really.But then, do you still claim: "clearly your analogy is impossible to be a fair analogy and cannot be considered for actual consideration."
Quote from: quadz on January 03, 2009, 09:37:50 PMBecause I assure you, if you would like to try to empathize with my viewpoint for a moment, it is most assuredly a fair analogy and must be considered for actual consideration.Hmm. I may have to take this back.
Because I assure you, if you would like to try to empathize with my viewpoint for a moment, it is most assuredly a fair analogy and must be considered for actual consideration.
But yes i still know what your getting at, it's really tough for an athiest to suddenly believe in something that he believes in his heart doesn't exist, such as I believe in my heart the easter bunny doesn't exist.
There's no way to scientifically disprove the existence of god. For that reason, those so inclined technically have to be agnostic about the question.
I LOVE it Quadz... Is that from a real grocer shelf?
Hmm... on looking again, it appears to be faith is there and it's so good, we can't believe it's not what it tastes like but it's still so close to the real deal we can hardly tell the difference and reason and hope are both name plays based on faith... hmmm...
It appears faith and reason occupied the same shelf... Hope looks to have been spliced on.
Well... whether the product is in reality "so good, we can't believe it's not what it tastes like" is an open question, in my view. Those messages are of course merely ideas they would like to sell us about their product. From the point of view of what they are trying to sell us, 'reason' is the only one sticking to the facts.