Lost World [ALPHA]

[Sgt. Dick]

I am not really sure you realize that you do this, but you cannot seem to make a post without having a part of it portray yourself as elite 

The same points that you made about the map could have been made without mentioning anything about skill level.

[VaeVictis]

I am not really sure you realize that you do this, but you cannot seem to make a post without having a part of it portray yourself as elite 

The same points that you made about the map could have been made without mentioning anything about skill level.

If you just roll over and die every time some inferior shit attacks you when you are trying to be helpful, then that is more of a problem than being a little arrogant. Haunted continually spreads false information about me, and I love to point out how wrong he is. Pretty sure he actually believes the garbage he says too which is quite sad.

Nobody cared what the thread was about. Nobody read the information I spent some of my time very late at night compiling and formatting. Just hopped on the bandwagon to start talking shit because they saw me post. I started out on topic, where NOBODY else was on topic except for quadz and muffin for a brief bit there.

[haunted]

Sure vae, everyone believes you 

[haunted]

Tell me vae, who are the 5 best players you have beaten?

[|iR|Focalor]

Don't group me with them man..at least I was actually good

Imagine that. I'm talking about why your attitude makes the prospect of being around you seem less preferable to slamming ones pecker in a car door, and the only thing you're able to see is, "He mentioned me with people who aren't as good at a video game as me."

[haunted]

Tell me vae, who are the 5 best players you have beaten?

C'mon don't be shy.

[VaeVictis]

Tell me vae, who are the 5 best players you have beaten?

Oh now you want me to name drop? you usually just bitch and whine about that kind of stuff. You don't even know who the good players are for the past 10 years. I remember you arguing with me that slugs was the biggest noob in NA.

Here is a little history lesson for you, since you are so disconnected from what is actually going on. And yeah, it does go into my history in Q2 since some one is talking shit on me, when I have put in way more work to get good than they even realize.

I started playing when Playboy and Naymlis were still really active. Second tier players at the time were slugs and f0cus, which was already well after haunted had left the scene and they had gotten much better than when haunted played as far as I understand. F0cus and slugs are probably two of my favorite players and I love chatting and dueling with both of them.

F0cus and slugs would constantly be playing naymlis and playboy in order to try and get better and take down the two duel kings of NA at the time. F0cus and slugs would also duel each other a ton and just feed off each other getting better and better. F0cus was actually able to take the occasional game off playboy, and slugs could take the occasional game off naymlis. Well playboy stopped playing at this point, and I'm below all these players probably sitting at above average in skill level where I can take out the normal duel players like beez, skillz, senz, etc but can't really match slugs or f0cus so I've never really been able to test myself against playboy and that is unfortunate, because as a duel player I want to try him out. I've been able to chat with playboy since, and when hes chill the conversations about duel are really entertaining.

After playboy left there was some competitions held in NA, just little things, but some big names showed up. The moment that really sticks out in my memory is when f0cus was playing super well, and slugs as his parity is just right there like half a step down. F0cus took a dm1 game off of an active purri, in competition. He didn't win the set and thats fine because purri is a fuckin quake god. This wasn't a friendly casual game where purri is doing stupid shit, this was a game with money on the line in an actual competition. Obviously we know some of our amazing NA players like naymlis will be able to take purri, but this was an awesome moment of one of our tier 2 players really showing their stuff.

F0cus left sadly. Still play QL with the guy but he just doesn't want to stress about playing at a high level anymore. Focus is still one of the coolest duel/tdm players in the scene. Slugs on the other hand stuck around for a little bit, playing in the little community events jehar was putting on, showing up for every cup, still playing pub tdm and pushing himself farther in duel. Slugs got even better. Slugs also has this weird capability to just drop in, and play at like 95% where you'd expect him to have more rust. He has done that for years, and yeah if he gets some play time in he can sharpen up to 100% but his "rusty" is not as rusty as the average person. That comes into play later.

Somewhere in this timeframe, I don't remember if it was before f0cus left or after, kickr0 came back. He was playing dm as c2shoes daily, he was dueling everyone, he was hopping in teams. He was active, and kicking ass. Kickr0 is also one of my favorite NA players. Just super cool guy and super fun to play against while being one of the top tier NA duelers. Playing kickr0 helped me improve a lot, because his style is just way more understandable for a newer player coming in who can grasp duel but maybe doesn't have the same mechanical strength of some one like slugs. Playing kickr0 for a bit basically just unlocked being able to figure out how to play naymlis and slugs which allowed me to get even more high tier games in, and this is where I start to get to the level that slugs/focus were at where I'm not quite there but I can take games off good players like slugs, naymlis, kickr0 etc. This is probably like 2012 or early 2013ish, jsut going off memory.

Naymlis kind of started to play less at this point. He has remained a pretty good constant, where if we get games going consistently for a couple weeks in a row, he always shows up. Some times around competitions he would be playing daily and really sharpen up, and other times when the scene was quiet he'd just get a game in every couple weeks. Naymlis rusty is definitely rusty, but hes still the best player in NA (if you don't count scooby/dahang who haven't played any significant amount since I started). He probably takes a good few days of playing good players to really shake off the rust and play at his expected level.

There is some stuff that happens in the middle here. I was actually looking for some old dahang NADL stuff and hopped on the official NADL website, and was reminded of a 2013 competition that Barton put on. I was still kinda just getting a bit better here, but I did manage to beat kickr0 in the tournament and then barely lost to slugs (1 frag on rdm2 in overtime). So I feel like I'm playing at a really decent level by this point because Kickr0 is one of those players that I just hold up really high next to naymlis, but maybe jsut a touch lower. Slugs at this point is basically half a step down from a tier 1 player. Slugs is obviously really good at this point, but I feel like he just lacks some of the patience that good players like adrenaline and naymlis had. 

Kickr0 disappeared at this point, naymlis went a little inactive, slugs went off to play COD professionally I think. Adrenaline was in there somewhere, probably last really good and active in like the 2013-2014ish era. Adrenaline is a good player, a dick, but a good player however maybe note as note worthy because hes been more of a quakelive player to me as long as I've known him.

The scene kinda quieted down for a little while. It really took just persistence to bring some of it back, and it was a lot of me just finding people to play games with and johnson doing his johnson thing and texting people to play tdm occasionally. Kyuss came back and he was playing really well. Kickr0 came back and he was playing really well. Me and a player named Nitro that I was helping get better at duel (who got really fuckin good and is #1 dm player right now imo) were playing daily and really working out weaknesses in each others games. I helped teach Nitro duel and we both learned to play dm1 better and learned maps like dm3 together. So probably late 2016-2017ish its me and Nitro mostly, and then kyuss and kickr0 and a few others hopping in and playing tdm. Kickr0 did end up dueling with me a lot, which really made me appreciate how hard he is to play against. Naymlis saw the activity and he was playing almost daily just like kickr0. So we had quite a few good duel players going at this time, and naymlis and kickr0 were not rusty. Both players are absolute beasts at this time, and not even comparable to their rusty selves. 

So around 2015-2016 or so, my personal perspective is that I basically took a big break from Q2 and went to get better at QL. I spent a lot of time playing players like zorakwar, rey, julbars, gnik, ekpy, necrophag, vdmk, and even rapha a couple times. I spent a lot of time talking to the good duel players in the QL/Q3 scene, and really rethought my entire approach to positioning and what fights to take etc. I'd sit there and talk to some people for hours about how to play specific maps and why some decisions were good or bad, or what you'd want to do in different situations. I still do, because I'm not as good at QL and still have a lot of room to grow there. I was able to play at a really high level and take back to back wins off of some of the top QL players, but not very consistently and they are definitely still a couple steps above me.

I came back, new name just to chill out and play with no drama. Name apparently caused everyone to scream and cry like almost a full year after though for some reason? Played almost daily. Took my new approach to the game and really started practicing and got to a level where I was beating naymlis consistently on my good maps and going really even with him on some of my less favorable maps like dm1. Similar story with kickr0, where he'd be able to beat me on some maps (hes much better rdm2 player for the record), but I could 5/0 him other times. I firmly believe naymlis is a better player than me, and kickr0 is maybe level or slightly better, but that is about the level I was playing at in 2017.

2017 qcon rolls around, Q2 had a qcon tournament. It was BYOC only and nobody good except david even played. Deadbeat I think played in it but he was probably drunk as shit or something because he didn't live up to my expectations of him. Deadbeat was playing me a lot at the time, and playing jehar a ton. Deadbeat got really good at dm3 specifically where he'd probably win like 1/3 vs me, other maps not so much but hes such a lovable guy that he shouldn't be measured by skill.

Since the 2017 qcon thing was so disappointing, jehar decided he was going to put on a 2017 tournament for the quake2 anniversary. We have an active kickr0, we have an active naymlis, several other good players are around at this time. Slugs comes back because he smelled a tournament, and puts in a couple weeks of practice before hand. Naymlis didn't participate due to scheduling conflicts otherwise he would have won like always. Kickr0 was in there, but unfortunately dropped out because he also had some scheduling conflicts. Basically just me vs slugs, and I posted the demos. Slugs is an amazing player that I respect, he kept his chill, didn't care about the "alias" drama that everyone was crying about, and the only thing that was a bit of drama with slugs was just some lag which everyone was pretty cool about trying to find a solution to.

After that tournament the scene quieted down a bit. Nitro focused more on dm instead of duel/tdm so I lost my main duel partner. Kickr0 focused on dm more for a bit then stopped playing, so I lost my secondary duel partner. Naymlis had to go take money from bad poker players for a bit and since there were less players around he started playing less and less. I kept playing obviously, but 2018-2019 things just gradually grinded to a halt with no real notable activity.

Where we are in 2020 right now, some good players will hop on and be a bit rusty and play. Played naymlis like a week or two ago. Theres some good tdm players right now who moved here from over seas that are fun in 2v2 and are good on dm1 for duel, but maybe not a well rounded duel map roster. I'm not at my highest level right now due to the inactivity in both QL (thx diabotical) and Q2, also just losing some focus. I still play though, so I can speak about the current state of everything and who plays at what level right now today.

Some other notable things in there like fader/near going from absolute shit tier player to pretty damn good. Probably tier 2 player like slugs/focus were back in 2010/2011. Barton also put in a ton of work playing in EDL and got pretty good. Nitro I mentioned put in enough work to get better than probably 90% of people who ever took duel seriously, and then went on to be #1 dm player right now (imo). There was a dude who just randomly showed up with trolly names that acts like an idiot but has been progressively getting better bit by bit and is capable of playing at a pretty decent level if he'd ever stop trolling. A lot of shifting of skill levels. Old players coming back and getting better, or new players showing up and putting in tons of work. King played for awhile and was active, flarez came around, pyr3x showed up but really didn't shake off his rust. Blood has been playing a bit off of a mobile connection, where he only has a good game like every third game. Justin/deft been popping and out of the game over the years. There are plenty of good EU plaeyrs that moved over, but mostly seem to be dm1 focused sadly. A lot happened, understandably over such a long period of time.

I've played Q2 for over a decade now, and the only thing that has remained consistent is that naymlis is a badass duel player and even more so when he has the time to shake off rust. Naymlis is my measuring stick, and I have definitely made him ragequit multiple times in a row (hes still better, but that happened). 

Nobody has read this far, but if you want me to name good players i've beat bo5 or bo3. Naymlis, slugs, kickr0 are the notable ones that come to mind. Kickr0 and slugs I've both beat in a competition bracket with money on the line, and naymlis i've beat 3/0 or 5/0 several times in friendlies and competition prep, though its usually closer and he always wins dm1 (by like 1 or 2 every fuckin time). If you think I'm bad at quake, then you are fucking retarded. However, I'm not damiah and I'm not claiming to be. All of the good players who have played in the last like 3-4 years know the pecking order. Anyone who hasn't played in years, should probably shut the fuck up about quake.

I was talking with some duel/tdm players earlier and made a crack about haunted not knowing anything about quake, and a notable one piped in that I passed that level of play a long time ago. Me and that player don't even get along a lot of the time. The only person who thinks haunted is better than me, is haunted.

I need to stop typing novels late at night. It's good to be passionate about your hobbies, but posting anything on these forums only invites trolls who don't even play quake to come in and with low effort responses that aren't even funny. Inb4 foc thinks hes funny by cutting a post down to just the "I"s. I guess anything is funny if you are that retarded, so maybe he gets a kick out of it.

Don't group me with them man..at least I was actually good

Imagine that. I'm talking about why your attitude makes the prospect of being around you seem less preferable to slamming ones pecker in a car door, and the only thing you're able to see is, "He mentioned me with people who aren't as good at a video game as me."

That is surprisingly consistent of you. I would have expected you to suck adrens dick. You definitely do some mental gymnastics to tell yourself it is okay to be bad at something you have done for over a decade.

[haunted]

I told you to list the 5 best players you have beaten.

 

[haunted]

So naymlis, kickr0, and slugs are you're only 3, the other two aren't worth mentioning. What I don't get is why haven't you listed playboy, pyrex, adrenaline, or any top tier euro players. You must've forgot to list them, right? Because clearly you're on another level than me, I know you've beaten them before.

And to be clear vae, you started this rehashing the same ol' story between us. I just think you're being a tad forgetful.

[VaeVictis]

So naymlis, kickr0, and slugs are you're only 3, the other two aren't worth mentioning. What I don't get is why haven't you listed playboy, pyrex, adrenaline, or any top tier euro players. You must've forgot to list them, right? Because clearly you're on another level than me, I know you've beaten them before.

And to be clear vae, you started this rehashing the same ol' story between us. I just think you're being a tad forgetful.

I think your memory is a little fucked.

Adrenaline hasn't played in 5 years, but yeah I've taken a game or two off him the few times we've played. He was better than me when he was playing, however I've improved a lot since then. I'd probably enjoy playing him a lot if he played right now because his peak vs my peak seem pretty close using naymlis as the comparison.

I've never lost to pyr3x the few times I've played him. He has never been active in the past 10 years. Only showed up randomly for a couple days like twice. It would be awesome to play him active.

I've played playboy like 5 times, because he quit when I was still pretty new to the game. Obviously one of the top players didn't lose to a new player still climbing up through the ranks. I'd love to play him now.

I beat div1 EDL players all the time. They aren't really that special. Players like isbjorn, purri, damiah, david, syanid etc. just don't play in america though. I don't know enough about the EU scene to really speak on who is good or not. I don't think I'm gonna sit down and beat damiah in a bo5, and I clearly stated that before.

I don't even know who you think is good, because you don't have a single clue about how everyones skill has shifted over the past decade. Justin/deft? King? Flarez? Hops? Kyuss? I don't lose to those kinds of players any more. I think those are all good players, they just aren't as focused when it comes to duel. I think all of those players are much better than you though. "Haunted" isn't even a name that anyone brings up when talking about good players past or present.

Anyone who has actively played duel or tdm in the last several years knows how full of shit you are. You'd do yourself a service to stop telling lies about me on the forums when you don't even play quake anymore. Man up and play me if you think you are such hot shit.

As I said, the only person who thinks haunted is better than me, is haunted. Maybe some other dumbass noobs on the forums are gullible enough to swallow the shit you are shoveling, but thats about it.

[haunted]

I think your memory is a little fucked.

Perhaps you're right. This is what I remember: I beat you every 4 out of every 5 games until about early 2012 when you refused to play me flat out through 2013 when I was at my best. There's around a dozen some threads about it. Literally everyone acknowledged you as afraid to play me. I challenged you to a bo5 maybe 30x, you refused every one. You posted you're only 4 wins on me, I posted far more. You could be right though. After all I was completely drunk every time I faced you. I seriously may have imagined it all.

Ya know, maybe I'm confusing you with kyuss. There's no way BOTH of you were afraid to play me and refused every challenge.

 

[themuffinman]

Vae, I'd really suggest rereading your comments. Take a deep, honest thought about how you come across to others and how this topic derailed like it did. This kind of arrogance is a major reason why Quake communities are a dying breed.

Enough of this cancer, thread closed.