2017 TS 20th anniv NA finals (online)

[VaeVictis]

Been meaning to post these for awhile. Last NA duel tournament for q2 as far as I am aware. Hasn't been the same activity since.

Original thread:
http://forum.tastyspleen.net/quake/index.php?topic=22785.0

Bracket:
https://challonge.com/summerq2_na1

Was a double elim, so 2 bo3 in the grand finals. 4 demos attached as 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, and 2-2 in that order.

Little drama, because slugs. He's pretty solid though and we worked our best around the drama.

My duel partners at the time were Kickr0, Naymlis, and Nitro so there was some good high level duels getting played almost daily at the time. Slugs really surprised me with how he played almost the same as always despite not being as active as some of the other players.

[adz1La]

You still fucking suck, clown

[haunted]

Been meaning to post these for awhile. Last NA duel tournament for q2 as far as I am aware. Hasn't been the same activity since.

Little drama, because slugs. He's pretty solid though and we worked our best around the drama.

My duel partners at the time were Kickr0, Naymlis, and Nitro so there was some good high level duels getting played almost daily at the time. Slugs really surprised me with how he played almost the same as always despite not being as active as some of the other players.

Concerning name-dropping good players to group yourself in with them:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Bj0YQgOTM

(:25 'these are my favorite bands')

I'm sure you played well. But for the sake of fairness, and since you blamed all of the drama on slugs I'd like to point out that any behavior slugs displayed was a direct effect of you aliasing and not telling him who you were. I'm not saying his behavior is justified but he asked tons of times, you wouldn't unalias, and that's why he was behaved like he did. It's also a bit ironic being that in the past you would get more upset about people aliasing against you than anyone. And that's in friendly matches let alone the finals of a tournament.

 

in other words it was haunted aliasing

why alias? lol

as far as forced nicks go... well im fine with it, i hate aliases...

and if i knew it was rick i woulda played better lol

seriously, aliasing is a pretty retarded trick

i just hate it when a random alias ends up doin good when i dont expect them too, cause ill play as loose as possible against my opponents, just makes it more fun, but i can play really tight if i know a player is really good... might have been naym if he was rusty in q2, he hasnt played much lately, but i dont think it was quite naym skill cause i coulda done better had i stayed calm

I get it, you're proud of beating a good player and there's nothing wrong with that. But giving out a pseudo-compliment claiming that he played the same as if he were active is not true. It's just an attempt to boost your credentials. In fact given slugs's reckless gun-hoe style of play I'd assume inactivity would hurt him more than most. Just chiming in since slugs isn't here to defend himself.

Thanks for posting the demos, I'll try to give em a watch when I have some free time. 

[VaeVictis]

You still fucking suck, clown

Good to see you alive and kickin'

Haven't seen you around q2 or QL in a bit. Some one actually mentioned other players that were always around and just went poof as a comparison. Nice to know that is not the case, though you should play more quake ql tdm discord been active lately, so maybe you can go give them some hell, duels would be great though

Concerning name-dropping good players to group yourself in with them:

Actually wasn't name dropping for no reason. Those are people I value as good duel players and others see the same, and I wanted to get the point across that there were high level NA duels being played at the time, and enough that multiple good duel players were active. Any assumptions you want to make are up to you, though they would be a little misinformed when the information you have to work with is close to, if not a full decade old.

As far as the rest of it... Well the drama mentioned had nothing to do with aliasing. That was also only seen in discord, and didn't impact any of the matches. This was a non-issue for the actual game and I believe a non issue entirely (played under the same name for months prior, and had #1 seed). Jehar was very cool with the whole situation, and I think everyone could take a lesson from him.

As far as respecting slugs skill despite his level of inactivity, I disagree entirely with your statements. I've played with slugs for years, and he honestly played quite well. I know what a rusty slugs looks like, and I didn't get that impression. Again, if the only information you have to go off of is a decade old then you will be making bad assumptions.

Also, good on you putting the work in to pull quotes from 10 years ago. Being able to look at the past and understand that you would handle situations differently (and the reasoning why) is a sign of growth as a person. Everyone should get that opportunity. If you never make mistakes, you can never learn from them. I have learned a lot and will continue to learn.

[|iR|Focalor]

Suppressing your shitty ego-maniac traits during one messageboard "performance" is not the same as changing them. Lest we forget the mouse thread where thou didst regail us lowly peons with an upturnt nose.

[haunted]

Last time I checked you still hated people aliasing against you. Did you undergo some epiphany from 2014 to 2017? C'mon dude, the drama all stemmed from slugs wanting to know who he was playing against and you would not oblige.

As far as inactivity goes, people don't play as good if they never play the game. It's as simple as that. It applies to everyone. You have applied this to yourself. You should know how unlikely it is for someone to play in tip-top shape if they never play, so you should also know how that comes across when you say something like that.

You could've just posted the demos and said he played well but instead you said he played the same as if he were active. Because you know what a rusty slugs is. You also blamed ALL of the drama on him. Everyone knows slugs can be a handful, but he was like that due to your aliasing which happens to be one of your pet peeves if the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, given that slugs isn't here to defend himself I thought it was appropriate to add context.

[VaeVictis]

Last time I checked you still hated people aliasing against you. Did you undergo some epiphany from 2014 to 2017? C'mon dude, the drama all stemmed from slugs wanting to know who he was playing against and you would not oblige.

As far as inactivity goes, people don't play as good if they never play the game. It's as simple as that. It applies to everyone. You have applied this to yourself. You should know how unlikely it is for someone to play in tip-top shape if they never play, so you should also know how that comes across when you say something like that.

You could've just posted the demos and said he played well but instead you said he played the same as if he were active. Because you know what a rusty slugs is. You also blamed ALL of the drama on him. Everyone knows slugs can be a handful, but he was like that due to your aliasing which happens to be one of your pet peeves if the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, given that slugs isn't here to defend himself I thought it was appropriate to add context.

I think you are misunderstanding. The drama mentioned isn't related to aliasing at all. It was server choice. It is clearly in the demos with a long timeout while we figured out if we wanted to switch servers for the rest of the games or not. It was only mentioned as it is in the demos, but it is minor. Everyone tried to make sure to be as accommodating as possible.

I also did not say that slugs played the same, I said he played nearly the same. Maybe a good 90% of what I'd expect from him. Slugs has a surprising amount of consistency any time I see him come back and play, and the only thing that he tends to fine tune is some of the rails he can hit which he seemed to have mostly sorted out through the entire day of playing and whatever practice he put in before hand.

I do not believe I have insulted slugs with any of my statements. I respect slugs as a player and enjoy playing with him. I think you are making massive assumptions as you obviously have not even watched the demos. Stepping in to defend him makes it seem that you think less of him as a player, which would only come from your lack of any information on duel players that isn't 10+ years old.

In regards to aliasing as you keep bringing it up, this would only matter if some one was aliasing to pretend to be a bad player and have people let their guard down. The problem with that in the current context is the name that was used in the tournament had been used for MONTHS prior to it even being announced, the entire time leading up to it, very frequent play, was top in frag stats for the tdm servers for the entire time, and received the #1 seed. No sand bagging. I also have always played under a variety of random names, and I still believe there was less drama by approaching the situation this way. I played under the name that was most recognizable and representative of my current play style and skill level to anyone who had played tdm or duel that year. Jehar as the tournament admin agreed with this information.

I really believe there should be less focus on drama and more on playing quake.

[0rbisson]

Let's be real and honest, vae is not as good as he likes to think he is. He beat a very rusty slugs and the rest of the field were a bunch of no names apart from maybe kickro who only played once in a blue moon as well. If anyone decent was in that field like ah!, adren, naymlis etc he would have been ripping cables from the back of the pc from round 1.


When you get beaten by a 200 pinger at a mod you claim to be a "GOD" at, All credibility goes out the window.

[adz1La]

Vae had many opportunities to prove himself back in the day when there were still a few of us around, he didn't want the smoke.   

[haunted]

This thread has real potential.