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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #450 on: August 01, 2020, 06:13:42 AM »
Im ok with fauci staying out of political stuff like that. However, the problem is he's given his opinion on other issues, and the double-standard of health experts encouraging protesting has been GLARINGLY obvious. Jordan should've rephrased it "don't you think it's wise to to at least warn protestors of the increased risk? Health experts are ENCOURAGING protesting and labeling it as safe, as the leading expert would you think it wise to recommend caution since it's being encouraged by officials and against your staying away from crowds guidelines?"

I think there's a way for Fauci to make a statement without actually making a statement, basically. Jordan should've went after that. Else, fauci can just pull the I'm not a politician card and pick and choose which issues he wants to inject MSNBC/cnn talking points.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #451 on: August 01, 2020, 12:01:41 PM »
Yeah. And I've lost a little reapect for Jordan lately, but Fauci just didn't have the stones to say "of course the protests increase the risk of spreading the virus, what is your point Jordan?" That would be a direct and impartial answer, but he feared the backlash. If a democrat was asking him about Trump rallies spreading the virus he wouldn't hesitate to give a direct answer. These Marxist revolutionaries are almost a protected class.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #452 on: August 01, 2020, 12:12:33 PM »
However, the problem is he's given his opinion on other issues, and the double-standard of health experts encouraging protesting has been GLARINGLY obvious.

The comments there are so filled with vitriol. Sad stuff.

To my knowledge, he's never explicitly stated anything like, "It's SAFE to protest." And according to this USA Today article from June 12th, he said that protesting is risky for people controlling the demonstration (police), and risky for those demonstrating. When asked if he had the same viewpoint on Trump rallies, he gave the same advice.

And yeah, some of the dickheads in the comments there are claiming that Fauci has said it's safe to protest. Uh... not that I've ever seen. A direct quote from that same article: "When you start to chant and shout, even though the instinct is to pull the mask down, which you see, don't do that because there is a risk there and it's a real risk,"

I can't find the rationale for hating him for anything he said there. It's a tricky thing. People have a right to worship, but... when these knuckleheads are proven to be hotbeds of virus transmission, you gotta do something. And it's probably even worse when it comes to protesting, because at that point, you're denying people the right to protest policy they don't agree with. In that situation, there's a reeeeeeeeally blurry line between "we are acting for public safety" and "we are acting like a dictatorship".

What's he supposed to say in that situation? The Representative himself seems to express the opinion that closing churches and businesses is bad, and yet he's still trying to force him to say, "Yeah, we should force these protesters to stop and go home and quarantine." His job isn't to give opinions about policy like that, his job is to give suggestions and guidance about the epidemic, and that's mostly all he's ever tried to do from what I've seen. Someone's looking for someone to blame so that they can either look innocent or so that they can call out the other side as guilty. And it ain't that clear cut.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #453 on: August 01, 2020, 01:01:55 PM »
Worshiping is possible at home; protesting is not. Worshiping generally happens indoors; protesting does not.

Just to clarify, I don't think the protests are any safer than any other outdoor gathering. There's zero sense in assuming such a thing. If they use masks, and distance as much as possible, it's *safer*, but certainly not safe.
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« Reply #454 on: August 01, 2020, 03:26:54 PM »
However, the problem is he's given his opinion on other issues, and the double-standard of health experts encouraging protesting has been GLARINGLY obvious.

The comments there are so filled with vitriol. Sad stuff.

To my knowledge, he's never explicitly stated anything like, "It's SAFE to protest." And according to this USA Today article from June 12th, he said that protesting is risky for people controlling the demonstration (police), and risky for those demonstrating. When asked if he had the same viewpoint on Trump rallies, he gave the same advice.

And yeah, some of the dickheads in the comments there are claiming that Fauci has said it's safe to protest. Uh... not that I've ever seen. A direct quote from that same article: "When you start to chant and shout, even though the instinct is to pull the mask down, which you see, don't do that because there is a risk there and it's a real risk,"

I can't find the rationale for hating him for anything he said there. It's a tricky thing. People have a right to worship, but... when these knuckleheads are proven to be hotbeds of virus transmission, you gotta do something. And it's probably even worse when it comes to protesting, because at that point, you're denying people the right to protest policy they don't agree with. In that situation, there's a reeeeeeeeally blurry line between "we are acting for public safety" and "we are acting like a dictatorship".

What's he supposed to say in that situation? The Representative himself seems to express the opinion that closing churches and businesses is bad, and yet he's still trying to force him to say, "Yeah, we should force these protesters to stop and go home and quarantine." His job isn't to give opinions about policy like that, his job is to give suggestions and guidance about the epidemic, and that's mostly all he's ever tried to do from what I've seen. Someone's looking for someone to blame so that they can either look innocent or so that they can call out the other side as guilty. And it ain't that clear cut.

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Yeah I didn't say he did at all(I think that may be how you interpreted that?). When I said health experts, I wasn't referring to him. Many health experts have ENCOURAGED protesting(we've posted the news segments here that list what's safe and not safe to do with covid... And even if it's just the media lying, that's even worse misinformation posing as health experts). Like I said I don't think fauci should get involved in politics, but when there's misinformation going around where the media is constantly saying it's not only safe but encourage protesting, he certainly could've said something. There's a way for him to say well hey, anyone going out and about protestors included needs to be cautious after all we're encouraging people to stay indoors. There was a way for him to say something while still avoiding any flack from the left, but he didn't even do that. With other issues he does though. If it's a right-supported notion about covid that has the tiniest flaw in it's logic or in a study or whatever, he's calling it out.
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« Reply #455 on: August 01, 2020, 03:41:09 PM »
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #456 on: August 01, 2020, 04:40:00 PM »
https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

Don't get distracted by the headline. I'm curious about these PCR tests now.

there are some instances that people still showed up positive after being tested using PCR.. After multiple validation (through retesting maybe), those individuals turned out to be negative. Explanation was that PCR test is so sensitive that it detected remnants of the virus long after recovery.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #457 on: August 01, 2020, 05:41:41 PM »
Yeah I didn't say he did at all(I think that may be how you interpreted that?).

No, I was referring to what Punk was talking about with the asshole commenters on that video on it's youtube page. One of them in particular said in short plain english, something like "Fauci said it was safe to protest.", and no, he never did, because he has a little bit of pride and integrity and knows how ridiculous that would sound.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #458 on: August 01, 2020, 05:55:48 PM »
Worshiping is possible at home;

When worshiping IN CHURCH and having that weekly sermon from a pastor is part of the routine and tradition, having a legal policy that bans that for any period of time, it is reasonable to think that some might consider that a violation of someones first amendment rights. By letter of law, it kinda is. You can cite prison as a precedent where being IN a "church" isn't required for worship, but those are prisoners, not lawful free citizens.

Drinking at home is "possible". If we sought to prevent DUI's by banning all bars, you'd have an awful lot of people pissed off.

Mind you I'm not saying it's right or wrong to ban church assemblies temporarily. I'm saying it's a difficult position. It's right AND it's wrong.
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« Reply #459 on: August 01, 2020, 07:14:53 PM »
YouTube comments are the epicenter of duhard on the internet. No surprise there.
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« Reply #460 on: August 01, 2020, 10:37:16 PM »

https://youtu.be/GlXxU1b3dXs

Proud of these people for not simply falling in line and standing up for what they believe in the face of the certainty that countless people will write them off as selfish and immoral (reminds me of Marx's and many other collectivists' view of individualism and freedom).

You guys probably think I'm a nutcase by now but that's fine with me. I think posting anything that questions the narrative at least fuels interesting discussion.
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« Reply #461 on: August 04, 2020, 09:06:47 AM »
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

Right when this study surfaced from 2005 regarding the effectiveness of chloroquine with SARS, here's the new narrative/reaction to it:

https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9202531015

Also, the study was done by the NIH as you can see from the link.

It's really strange. I'm fully open to the possibility that hydroxychloroquine isn't effective against covid-19. However, it's really odd that people not only won't entertain the the possibility of it working, but they fully condemn it.
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« Reply #462 on: August 05, 2020, 04:33:43 PM »
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« Reply #463 on: August 05, 2020, 11:08:51 PM »
I so wish that was real. :D
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« Reply #464 on: August 06, 2020, 04:20:36 PM »
Not sure if you guys know anyone personally that has covid, but I know about a dozen and know two of them very well. One person is black and lives in Brooklyn and got it in March. She's a tad obese, and she got it pretty bad and had a 5 week recovery but was never hospitalized. Even after the 5 weeks she didn't feel 100% though, but is fine now. The other is a skinny white chick. She has tested positive twice and is 100% asymptomatic and feels great. Each time her husband(one of my childhood best friends) was tested also and came back negative.
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