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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #435 on: July 30, 2020, 03:17:17 PM »
Fauci / CDC / WHO lied about masking, and Fauci has since explained on camera WHY he lied about it. That so-called "best advice" was an obvious lie at the time, leaving folks to speculate as to the reasons for it - and the obvious guess (they're lying to prevent hoarding of masks needed by frontline health workers) turned out to be correct by Fauci's own admission.

I disagree.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising-against-masks-early-in-pandemic-2020-7

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"When it became clear that we could get the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks," he said.

"When it became clear" implies to me that it happened after his initial interview saying that masks weren't necessary for everyday Americans at the time.

No comment about the White House discrediting Fauci, or the Navarro op-ed, or Trump's #firefauci retweet, or the early-March clip airing as if new in June? You think Fauci's original statement is the culprit?

Btw, regarding Russia's involvement in such things being a tin-foil hat level thing:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/05/21/1002105/covid-bot-twitter-accounts-push-to-reopen-america/

Who do you think is behind such things? Bernie?
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #436 on: July 30, 2020, 03:43:36 PM »
I get, on a basic fundamental level, why Fauci lied. The concept of the end justifying the means.

More collectivism. Go against individuals in favor of the collective, or "greater good". I just feel that this methodology often falls victim to a slippery slope. In this case, dishonesty is excused because the end result is "good" or desired. Was this the best course of action? Admittedly that is debatable, but I don't think so.

Other examples involving collectivism:
Censoring individual doctors (stifling 1st amendment free speech) to yield a desired outcome concerning the collective.
(Deleting YouTube videos, facebook posts, tweets, etc. pretty much falls under this as well)

Mandating mask wearing. Give up a small ounce of individual freedom for the benefit of the collective.

Forcing businesses to close down and directly causing mass unemployment. Stifling individuals exercising financial independence (and encouraging dependence on the government for the "benefit" of the collective.

Fueling identity politics more than ever before, defining people by groups instead of at an individual level (the woke vs racist video highlights this).

Then you have other attacks on individual freedom involving limitations on the 2nd amendment and 5th amendment (due process ignored). Limitations on the first amendment via religious freedom and freedom to peaceably assemble (church) being stifled. People are becoming desensitized to forfeiting their rights, and if you speak out, you are either censored or deemed a bad person. There are certain intangibles to the sweeping changes taking place that fundamentally have an affect on American values and culture, IMO.

Then you have all this massive spending by Orange Man, fiat money, stimulus packages... All inevitably leading to inflation and a big decrease in purchasing power for an already insanely divided citizenry. This is all a transfer of power from the people to the government.

There is much more but that's just off the top of my head. Freedom and individual responsibility are absolutely at the bottom of the priority list and IMO they are flat out under attack. So much is happening so quickly.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #437 on: July 30, 2020, 03:47:04 PM »
There's no reason to get rid of scientists. Knowledge continues to build with experience, and he continued to be one of the world's leading authorities in his field. Why would they get rid of him?

Yes there is, and they do it all the time. IN all the various groups and committees, they play party politics and install party members and supporters, just like I said. Have you never heard of this trend before?

Problem in this particular case is that obviously his position is not by appointment. They might decide to revise that in one the following presidential terms.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #438 on: July 30, 2020, 04:38:59 PM »
Boy did this thread blow up.


You guys understand getting and holding a job based on merit, right? Well, here you go.

Government jobs are actually not structured like that. The government service payscale essentially provides you with "step" promotions every year for simply not getting fired. That, combined with "it's who ya know" applying in government positions more than anywhere, holding positions is absolutely NOT based on merit.

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I wouldn't believe stuff about Russia from MSM that's in China's pocket if I were you. How many times have lefties taken the bait now with that?
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #439 on: July 30, 2020, 04:54:50 PM »
Regarding a "re"tweet. Let's have a thought experiment. Let's say trump at a press conference said that fauci is on thin ice and should be fired, but also trump retweeted some content from someone and included in that content was support for fauci retaining his position as well. You would obviously disregard Trump's direct words and believe the retweet that trump does indeed want to keep Fauci, right?
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #441 on: July 31, 2020, 02:18:59 AM »
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising-against-masks-early-in-pandemic-2020-7

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"When it became clear that we could get the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks," he said.

"When it became clear" implies to me that it happened after his initial interview saying that masks weren't necessary for everyday Americans at the time.

Come on! We knew about asymptomatic transmission in January. It was the KEY FEATURE of this virus, along with long incubation time, emerging from healthcare worker testimonials out of Wuhan in Jan/Feb. Asymptomatic transmission coupled with long incubation time was WHY this virus was so damned formidable from the outset.

(As a sanity check against my "Late January" recollection of when the Wuhan accounts of asymptomatic transmission were appearing on my timeline, I cross-checked with Google trends, and sure enough, there it was: picking up right at the end of January.)



This "When it became clear" dodge from Fauci is 100% ass-covering. Of course we knew about asymptomatic transmission from the beginning. It was the key feature (combined with incubation time) that had virologists going: ok, this is going to be tough to contain.


No comment about the White House discrediting Fauci, or the Navarro op-ed, or Trump's #firefauci retweet, or the early-March clip airing as if new in June? You think Fauci's original statement is the culprit?

I've got plenty of criticism of the Trump admin's handling of the coronavirus response. But I think the Fauci/CDC/WHO purposeful lying about masking efficacy was huge in terms of negative consequences. I kept saying back then in conversations with friends: they're lying about masks not working, we know why they're lying, but it's going to BACKFIRE on them.


Btw, regarding Russia's involvement in such things being a tin-foil hat level thing:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/05/21/1002105/covid-bot-twitter-accounts-push-to-reopen-america/

Who do you think is behind such things? Bernie?

Gibberish article. Uses weasel words. (Sixty percent of the time, it works EVERY time.)

Recommend tracking down the study the article references (but conveniently seems not to link to), and we can see what it really says.

(The most relevant paper they did link to [https://arxiv.org/pdf/2003.01797.pdf] merely defines the methodology for their analysis process, and is not the one that relates to any coronavirus dataset.)

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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #442 on: July 31, 2020, 05:45:15 AM »
Recommend tracking down the study the article references (but conveniently seems not to link to), and we can see what it really says.

I think this is what you're asking for (links in that article, I believe):

https://www.scs.cmu.edu/news/nearly-half-twitter-accounts-discussing-reopening-america-may-be-bots

Edit: No direct links to specific studies there either that I can see. There are links to websites that seem more focused on their particular work though. There may be links on those sites, but I haven't found any with a really brief look.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #445 on: July 31, 2020, 03:16:47 PM »
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« Reply #446 on: July 31, 2020, 04:52:34 PM »
Yeah this is where the hippie communist assholes get traction with their complaints about things. Unfortunately one of the embarrassing traits of capitalism is that when shit like this happens, there's a group of soulless dickless market researchers sitting around a meeting table saying, "How can we make money off this?"
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« Reply #447 on: July 31, 2020, 05:30:10 PM »
Yeah, as a huge supporter of the free enterprise system, I despise people taking advantage of pandemics and emergencies for profit. Like people who charge $30 for a case of water days before a CAT 5 hurricane makes landfall. I'm obviously for government prohibiting the dumping of toxic waste into bodies of water also. But much of this is heavily fueled by corruption and would be substantially hindered if the government was smaller in the right areas.
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« Reply #448 on: August 01, 2020, 02:07:22 AM »

https://youtu.be/F65IEZF7X34

Hilarious. Fauci doesn't have the balls to answer this question in an impartial manner. He can make all the recommendations under the sun, pretending as if there is no partisan motive. Yet here it is clear.



https://youtu.be/8alkP1Nxyv4

Strange moments where audio is cut during crucial statements concerning treatment of the virus.
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« Reply #449 on: August 01, 2020, 05:26:35 AM »

https://youtu.be/F65IEZF7X34

The comments there are so filled with vitriol. Sad stuff.

Jim Jordan wanted a sound bite of Fauci saying "Protests spread the coronavirus", and it was obvious to Fauci what he wanted. Fauci said that crowds increase the likelihood of spread, and protests are crowds...
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