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« Reply #420 on: July 30, 2020, 01:07:47 PM »
metal, haunted, quadz, anybody else - Between Trump and Fauci, who would you put more trust in to provide the most accurate information regarding health-related issues that they can provide?

I don't trust either.

I'm so bored with people saying "but TRUMP..." just to sidestep subject matter.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #421 on: July 30, 2020, 01:27:26 PM »
metal, haunted, quadz, anybody else - Between Trump and Fauci, who would you put more trust in to provide the most accurate information regarding health-related issues that they can provide?

I don't trust either.

I'm so bored with people saying "but TRUMP..." just to sidestep subject matter.

2 things...

Number 1: there's approximately 4 or 5 of us here, I have more posts than anyone, yet my name was conspicuously missing from that list. :D Probably because he knew I'd reply with something like the meme that I did. And to be clear about the intention of that post, I'm not calling him stupid, I'm just calling that particular question a stupid one. It's rhetorical, isn't it? Who do you trust more to give accurate medical information: a doctor, or a real estate mogul? :D

2, it's another leading question.

...you are attempting to illicit some specific response from him so that you can then interject with an, "A-HA! But THIS is why you are wrong, sir!"

And I don't understand why you want to play that game? None of us here are stupid enough to think that Trump is a more trustworthy source of health-related information than Fauci. He is the #1 man in the Trump administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force. The two aren't at odds, so why argue about them as if they are?

Again, I wasn't calling him stupid, I don't think he's stupid. It was meant to be slightly rude and offensive of course in fraternal "ripping on him" way, but all in good fun, and I meant nothing personal by it. :beer:
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« Reply #422 on: July 30, 2020, 01:31:19 PM »
I don't trust either.

Why wouldn't you trust Fauci? He worked for Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush (gets Presidential Medal of Freedom from him, as did Ben Carson), Obama, and spends three years with Trump, and until there's a pandemic, has no issues with any of these Republicans or Democrats. Suddenly, Trump doesn't like what he says and now his 50+ years of impeccable credibility are questioned. W-T-F

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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #423 on: July 30, 2020, 01:33:50 PM »
While I don't want the opinions of doctors censored, i also don't trust anyone simply because they are a doctor. 2nd opinions wouldn't be a thing if people adopted the argument from authority fallacy that one's status or credentials automatically make them correct or even trustworthy.

For all I know, just like Fauci lied about masks to save more for hospitals (hundreds of which are closing down due to lack of.
patients/revenue) they all could be lying about hydroxychloroquine to save it for certain people OR simply to make the virus worse. FFS Andrew Cuomo killed thousands of people through his horrible decisions and he is continuously praised for his handling of the pandemic. Curing this virus is NOT what these people want. If the virus becomes a non-issue they'll have to find something else to harness for power.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #424 on: July 30, 2020, 01:34:50 PM »
He is the #1 man in the Trump administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force. The two aren't at odds, so why argue about them as if they are?

lolol - #firefauci retweeted by Trump back in April


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249470237726081030

Fauci nowhere to be seen at recent press briefings. Fauci says he hadn't briefed the president in like a month or two recently. Trump has multiple times stated he disagreed with Fauci and referred to him as an "alarmist". There is lots of friction directed towards Fauci from Trump.
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« Reply #425 on: July 30, 2020, 01:35:07 PM »
Oh so he worked under a ton of corrupt administrations? Consider my mind changed.

This pandemic is being harnessed to fast forward a collectivist authoritarian society/government. Extreme job loss and businesses closing down, letting prisoners free while locking up business owners, a plague of lawlessness and defunding police to create chaos, etc. When chaos exists the state sees little opposition when it swoops in to control us.
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« Reply #426 on: July 30, 2020, 01:37:36 PM »
they all could be lying about hydroxychloroquine to save it for certain people OR simply to make the virus worse.

OMFG... loosen up the tinfoil, dude. You're delusional. Some of you are off the fucking deep end.
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« Reply #427 on: July 30, 2020, 01:38:45 PM »
metal, haunted, quadz, anybody else - Between Trump and Fauci, who would you put more trust in to provide the most accurate information regarding health-related issues that they can provide?

Is this asking which condiment I'd prefer on a shit sandwich? :P

Fauci (and CDC and WHO) lies about masking efficacy in Jan/Feb/Mar almost certainly increased the death toll by tens of thousands, by contributing mightily to the current climate of distrust on the issue.

I expect Trump to be Trump, as usual: a powerful loose cannon that sometimes fires in bad directions, sometimes in good directions.

As to whom I trust: I try to get to the source. Virologists, quantitative data scientists, folks who can point me toward properly conducted scientific research, and folks with enough expertise to point out what's well-understood, what's still in flux; etc.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #428 on: July 30, 2020, 01:40:59 PM »
they all could be lying about hydroxychloroquine to save it for certain people OR simply to make the virus worse.

OMFG... loosen up the tinfoil, dude. You're delusional. Some of you are off the fucking deep end.

Good argument. All of the changes being made in the aftermath of recent events all point in the same direction. PuRe CoInCiDeNcE.
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« Reply #429 on: July 30, 2020, 01:45:03 PM »
I don't trust either.

Why wouldn't you trust Fauci? He worked for Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush (gets Presidential Medal of Freedom from him, as did Ben Carson), Obama, and spends three years with Trump, and until there's a pandemic, has no issues with any of these Republicans or Democrats. Suddenly, Trump doesn't like what he says and now his 50+ years of impeccable credibility are questioned. W-T-F

"Fauci was the 13th most-cited scientist among the 2.5 to 3 million authors in all disciplines throughout the world who published articles in scientific journals.”

The part about him working for every president since Reagan - Did not know that. Are you absolutely sure that's true? If it is true, it's surprising and unexpected. The norm seems to be for these dickheads to clean house and replace absolutely EVERYONE with their people and friends and supporters no matter what the qualifications or experience of the previous person was.

But then again, maybe that's the problem here, or at least the reason he IS still in that position. Nobody took this prospective problem seriously enough to care about who was occupying these roles.

But to the point of not trusting either one of them... I kinda agree. Whoever the president might be in a situation like this is obviously going to have their own political motives for everything they say. And it's not unreasonable to expect that the current administration would force such a person to comply with their narrative on certain aspects. Thus... can't really "trust" them.

Then again... who in this world CAN you really trust completely anymore?
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« Reply #430 on: July 30, 2020, 01:57:28 PM »
Fauci (and CDC and WHO) lies about masking efficacy in Jan/Feb/Mar almost certainly increased the death toll by tens of thousands, by contributing mightily to the current climate of distrust on the issue.

Bullshit. I don't know who to blame, maybe Russia, maybe even Trump's own admin, who knows, but the people partially responsible for the climate of distrust is those who widely shared that statement, made in very early March, in June, leaving out the fact that it was made in March, and that fomented distrust. When it was posted, many people didn't bother asking when that statement was posted, they simply assumed it was current, or recent. Besides masks weren't necessary at that time (in early March). There were only a couple dozen confirmed cases in the entire country on that date (all in Washington state, I believe), and they didn't know that asymptomatic or presymptomatic carriers were one of the primary spreaders of the virus either. And what did he say about mask "efficacy"?

The White House went on to share a memo of a list of "mistakes" that Fauci had made throughout the course of the pandemic. Again, blame goes firmly on the Trump admin for creating that and the ensuing degradation of trust that caused. Then Trump's trade adviser, Peter Navarro, published this op-ed:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/todaysdebate/2020/07/14/anthony-fauci-wrong-with-me-peter-navarro-editorials-debates/5439374002/

Yeah, but it's all Fauci's fault for giving the best advice he could back in the first few days of March.
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« Reply #431 on: July 30, 2020, 01:59:14 PM »
Regarding Fauci's "mistakes":

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« Reply #432 on: July 30, 2020, 02:01:39 PM »
The part about him working for every president since Reagan - Did not know that. Are you absolutely sure that's true? If it is true, it's surprising and unexpected.

There's no reason to get rid of scientists. Knowledge continues to build with experience, and he continued to be one of the world's leading authorities in his field. Why would they get rid of him?

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio

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According to the Web of Science, he ranked 8th out of more than 2.2 million authors in the field of immunology by total citation count between 1980 and January 2020.​
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« Reply #433 on: July 30, 2020, 02:12:30 PM »
There's also the issue that the virus mutated while it was spreading across Europe. USA largely got the less deadly, MUCH more contagious version. China got the less transmissable, more deadly original version.

There have been SO MANY riots and block parties during this whole thing. We've been encouraging irresponsible behavior as a nation for quite some time, and we act surprised that a large amount of people don't want to act responsibly. While most people are masked up in major cities, the rioters mostly are not. And a lot of people seriously underestimate the amount of rioters and protestors. Then you have horrible decisions made (again, Andrew Cuomo comes to mind) and general division. There's a lot of reasons why we have a lot of cases. And on top of all that, it's been proven that patients are often falsely labeled as positive for covid (hospitals get money for every case), and it's been shown that sometimes people can get tested 5 times, and if they always test positive, that's 5 cases added to the list. They have the left believing that no one is masking up, and the right pointing the finger at the rioters and protestors. They get both sides to simply accept what is happening. And if you don't, you're immoral and out to kill everyone's grandma. The "obey or you're immoral" tactic isn't new, and neither is the concept of "never let a good crisis go to waste". The media and government love and exaggerate this virus the same way they love and exaggerate racism. It's a tool for getting what they want.
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« Reply #434 on: July 30, 2020, 02:18:38 PM »
OMFG... loosen up the tinfoil, dude. You're delusional. Some of you are off the fucking deep end.

3...2...1...

Bullshit. I don't know who to blame, maybe Russia

Nice one.




Fauci (and CDC and WHO) lies about masking efficacy in Jan/Feb/Mar almost certainly increased the death toll by tens of thousands, by contributing mightily to the current climate of distrust on the issue.
Yeah, but it's all Fauci's fault for giving the best advice he could back in the first few days of March.

What kind of historical revisionism is this?

"best advice he could" AS IF we didn't have existing studies people were pointing out at the time. Fauci / CDC / WHO lied about masking, and Fauci has since explained on camera WHY he lied about it. That so-called "best advice" was an obvious lie at the time, leaving folks to speculate as to the reasons for it - and the obvious guess (they're lying to prevent hoarding of masks needed by frontline health workers) turned out to be correct by Fauci's own admission.

I stand by my estimate that their lie of convenience about masking has led to tens of thousands of deaths.

And so I will say it again:

Fauci (and CDC and WHO) lies about masking efficacy in Jan/Feb/Mar almost certainly increased the death toll by tens of thousands, by contributing mightily to the current climate of distrust on the issue.

"Oh but the TRUMP ADMIN..." Sure - and where was Trump admin getting their expert advice, if not Fauci / CDC?

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October 07, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
6V6+ ON RA2 NOW

pepp5

October 06, 2020, 03:19:43 PM
My standard way of encouraging people to quit farting around and start the match:  Eddie Van Halen up.  RIP EVH.
 

quadz

October 06, 2020, 01:17:03 PM
R.I.P. Eddie Van Halen :(
 

Admin

September 23, 2020, 09:43:07 AM
It's the same VPN-using misanthrope who's been at this for months. Recently switched to sending private messages.

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