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« Reply #210 on: May 02, 2020, 08:43:34 PM »
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On a more serious note - Covid is still growing bigtime in Hall County - be safe up there  :beer:
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #211 on: May 02, 2020, 09:11:13 PM »
Quarantine can be hard for your pets also - 
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« Reply #212 on: May 03, 2020, 12:03:42 PM »
Oof. Wife sent me this. Apparently this Detroit bus driver fell ill about 4 days after posting this video about being coughed on, and died today.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/826817866/take-this-serious-bus-driver-dies-of-covid-19-after-calling-out-coughing-rider


https://www.facebook.com/1242205136/videos/10222496193013898/


(If not for WHO and CDC bullshitting about "masks don't help", people in these circumstances might still be alive.)

I remember seeing this story in our local news (I live outside Detroit, but work in and around it as a local trucker.) Ive always been curious if they ever found the bitch that coughed without covering up.  Wondering if she died too.  This weekend has been glorious in his temps and sun.  And its definitely brought out all the cabin fever people, some of which still dont do a damn thing they were told to do like wear masks and keep their distance.  By now the world has to be laughing at us watching all the protests esp the ones that came from our state up in Lansing.  Buncha losers showing up with guns, racist propaganda, with no masks?  Im just waiting to see the stories of karma as some of these people lie in their death bed.  Heard it already happened to a guy in Ohio who was against the shutdowns.  Come to find out a week later, he died of it.  Family put out the post showing people proof that you need to do your due diligence by staying at home.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #213 on: May 03, 2020, 05:22:12 PM »
By now the world has to be laughing at us watching all the protests esp the ones that came from our state up in Lansing.  Buncha losers showing up with guns, racist propaganda, with no masks?  Im just waiting to see the stories of karma as some of these people lie in their death bed.  Heard it already happened to a guy in Ohio who was against the shutdowns.  Come to find out a week later, he died of it.  Family put out the post showing people proof that you need to do your due diligence by staying at home.

It's a hard problem to be sure.

On the one hand, I take limited interest in what the rest of the world thinks on questions of liberty, considering how few countries have managed to achieve anything matching our 1st amendment, let alone our 2nd.

On the other hand, people going out in public without masks, getting near other people, are of course putting others at risk – not merely themselves. (And then there are second-order effects: e.g. cases where more people going out means more potential for accidents which means more potential for first responders to need to interact with people who may be infected; etc.)

That said, I find the following expresses a perspective I agree with in spirit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBWWqCYDyHw

…but I also acknowledge the devil is in the details.

Liberty—once governments arrive on the scene—is rare in human history. And it's a damn sight easier lost than regained.

So I don't fault the protesters for giving voice to that concern. Or at least for being motivated by such.

But wear masks, fuckers, to protect others. Masking with COVID is like gun safety: treat your face like it's loaded, and always keep it pointed in a safe direction.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« Reply #214 on: May 03, 2020, 05:25:10 PM »
Masking with COVID is like gun safety: treat your face like it's loaded, and always keep it pointed in a safe direction.

As long as you pick Dwayne Johnson as your VP, I'll vote for you. :rockon:
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« Reply #215 on: May 04, 2020, 06:34:07 AM »
Prophet, are you referring to the people wearing nazi uniforms and swastikas in Lansing? I just wanted to let you know that was proven to be a lie (even Snopes said so). Those pictures were actually taken from a left wing protest from months ago. I've seen plenty of interviews of Michiganders saying there was no racist tone to the protests. But of course, if there was a few bad apples, the media will surely cover it to smear anyone who values their civil liberties as bigots of some sort.

We should have executed targeted quarantines, not mass quarantines. Treating the epicenter of the virus the same as rural areas 1000 miles away and hours from the nearest airport is illogical, as is treating Alaska the same as NYC. People seem to forget or are unaware of the fact that economic recessions/depressions cause numerous deaths as well (immense increases in depression, mental illness, poverty, homelessness, starvation, drug abuse, suicide, domestic violence and other violent crimes, etc). It must also be kept in mind that we know for a fact that the death numbers are padded and highly inaccurate (to what degree they've been overestimated we may never know). We also know that the raw number of people infected was extremely inaccurate, with some studies (one conducted in LA county) suggesting that the real amount of people infected could be over 50 times more than what has been reported. I haven't paid attention to this figure (and it isn't easy to find), but around 10-15 days ago we had still only tested approximately 1.5% of the US population. Given this, it seems difficult to hold any opinion with utmost confidence.

On the subject of the bill of rights, we saw people's 1st, 2nd, and 5th amendment rights trampled by governors in numerous states. This was not only unnecessary but also sets and dangerous precedent. This country was founded on independence, liberty, and individualism, NOT dependence and collectivism. Giving up one's civil liberties for "the greater good" is a dangerous Marxist philosphy, especially when coupled with the fact that oligarchs control our MSM. "Obey, give up your constitutional rights, or you don't care about people dying" was the atmosphere set in place. History tells us that virtually every totalitarian regime has used tactics like this to slowly control a nation. This is absolutely a cause for concern and showcases a severe blunder in our leadership.

Assembly was banned, protests were banned, gun stores were labeled nonessential, due process went out the window, and in some cases engaging in outdoor activities was banned. Some states passed partisan measures while protests were banned. In other places, masks were required, but you can't concealed carry while wearing a mask, thus concealed carry was banned. And there is more. The governor of Michigan completely overstepped her bounds and I am proud of the protestors for not bending over and accepting tyrannical measures.

It was all very convenient that the response to the virus ended presidential rallies, which are good for Trump and Russian roulette (perhaps with 3 bullets in the cylinder) for Biden. It was also convenient for China that:
1. Virus targets elderly (communist regimes see people who no longer pay taxes as a nuisance to society)
2. US stock market tanks
3. US economic recession
4. Value of US dollar will certainly plummet
5. Negative press for the guy who put Tariffs on China which helps the candidate that is in bed with China (watch "Joe Biden should be very afraid of this video" by Mr Reagan)
6. China gets a "free" look at how America and the modern world respond to a pandemic
7. China gets to see how much influence their media has on the world
8. Depopulation never hurt China's feelings

And more. This whole thing is fishy as hell. With all this and much more that should be taken into consideration, the decision to open the country back up should not be getting the negative coverage it often receives. The governor of Georgia was recently criticized for opening much of the state up, but I believe when this blows over he'll be met with praise (aside from the usual suspects like CNN, who has been caught repeating Chinese propaganda - Tim Poole did a video on this).

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« Reply #216 on: May 04, 2020, 10:18:30 AM »
It must also be kept in mind that we know for a fact that the death numbers are padded and highly inaccurate (to what degree they've been overestimated we may never know).

That doesn't seem true. Take this for example:

"U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html

I feel you on the needing a laptop thing. I can't imagine typing a post as big as yours on a cellphone keyboard.
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« Reply #217 on: May 04, 2020, 11:10:05 AM »
"U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html

Interesting, thanks.

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« Reply #218 on: May 04, 2020, 11:44:46 AM »
The CDC's official guidelines for designating cause of death state that a positive test result for Covid-19 is not a requirement for listing "Covid-19" as cause of death. It more or less says an educated guess will do. So we do "know" that deaths are incorrectly labeled as "Covid-19" when in reality they are not. But, this may not be proof of "padded" death numbers, however it is proof that the number is inaccurate. Testing being prioritized for high risk patients and people with severe symptoms suggests that there should be some effort to minimize the amount of people that die of Covid-19 without us knowing. So that leaves us wondering which group is bigger?

1. Deaths incorrectly being labeled as a direct result of Covid-19 when they are not.
2. Deaths of Covid-19 incorrectly being labeled as unknown, natural causes, etc.

As I stated the CDC guidelines dictate the former statement was occuring from the beginning. But I'm sure the same could be said for the latter statement. I wonder what are the chances of someone developing severe Covid-19 systems and not going to the doctor or being tested before they die? Keep in mind, influenza and pneumonia death numbers have remained typical throughout 2020. I'd assume that this number spiked early on and has gotten much smaller. Also, there is a lot of gray area in the designation of the cause of death. One could be barely clinging to life so to speak (due to underlying conditions) and then contract Covid-19 and die. What is the most accurate cause of death? There have been many reports of people livid that their loved ones' several year long battle with cancer (and similar stories involving other terminal patients) was completely ignored or overlooked upon finding that the "official" cause of their death was labeled Covid-19. There's no way to know which number is larger in reality. We can only go off of what a corrupt government and extremely deceptive media tell us. But to state that group 2 is greater than group 1 seems to require the assumption that there is no poltical agenda being catetered to by the response to and the reporting of this virus. I say this because the most corrupt people will be the first ones to "never let a good crisis go to waste", and they only help their corrupt agenda by exaggerating the deadliness of the virus. And we can certainly see this pandemic has been heavily politicised.
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« Reply #219 on: May 04, 2020, 11:56:56 AM »
Keep in mind, influenza and pneumonia death numbers have remained typical throughout 2020.

Those are also estimates (flu deaths), whereas deaths from Covid-19 are much more precisely counted (comparatively):

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

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The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.
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« Reply #220 on: May 04, 2020, 12:13:52 PM »
Keep in mind, influenza and pneumonia death numbers have remained typical throughout 2020.

Those are also estimates (flu deaths), whereas deaths from Covid-19 are much more precisely counted (comparatively):

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

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The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.

I read that article in its entirety not too long ago, but sources like this seem to provide additional info.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/30/fact-check-cdc-still-tracking-flu-deaths-2019-20-typical/3044888001/
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« Reply #222 on: May 05, 2020, 06:22:19 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/weighing-swedens-coronavirus-model-11588631127
(Less than a day old, seemingly slightly right leaning article)

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/04/20/commentary/world-commentary/grim-truth-swedish-model/#.XrFfvbcpD3A
(Nearly 2 weeks old, seemingly slightly left leaning article)

It's funny to me that an expert from the WHO is now saying that the Swedish model is a good model for the world for future pandemics. It seems far too soon to make such a statement, and it surprised me when i heard it yesterday. As it stands Sweden has reported approximately 10x more deaths than Norway or Finland, and approximately 5x more than Denmark. I haven't seen their "curve" yet, but that completely depends on testing. Sweden also has an extremely high immigrant population, mostly due to an extremely high influx of middle eastern migrants in recent years. The Muslim population has been hit the hardest and this is at least one large reason as to why the death toll seems disproportionately high. The government largely relied on the responsibility of its citizens to prevent their healthcare system from being overloaded. Of course, when relying on a partnership with your citizenry there is a cultural requirement (for lack of a better word). The migrant population isn't exactly hellbent on assimilating to Swedish values and way of life, so they will respond differently to suggestions made by the government. It also doesn't help that migrants typically live in urban, densely populated areas. The country as a whole seems to be building immunity quickly. It'll be interesting to see final death tolls and economic effects when compared to Norway, Finland, and Denmark (as well as other nearby countries with much more strict immigration laws).
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« Reply #223 on: May 05, 2020, 10:58:17 AM »
It's funny to me that an expert from the WHO is now saying that the Swedish model is a good model for the world for future pandemics. It seems far too soon to make such a statement, and it surprised me when i heard it yesterday. As it stands Sweden has reported approximately 10x more deaths than Norway or Finland, and approximately 5x more than Denmark. I haven't seen their "curve" yet, but that completely depends on testing.

Interesting political context for Sweden, assuming it's accurate:


https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1257159480816488448


https://twitter.com/fberglund/status/1257303138823856129


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« Reply #224 on: May 05, 2020, 02:30:57 PM »
From: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-live-news.html

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“If you include New York, it looks like a plateau moving down,” said Andrew Noymer, an associate professor of public health at the University of California, Irvine. “If you exclude New York, it’s a plateau slowly moving up.”

It is not just the major cities. Smaller towns and rural counties in the Midwest and South have suddenly been hit hard, underscoring the capriciousness of the pandemic.

Dakota County, Neb., which has the third-most cases per capita in the country, had no known cases as recently as April 11. Now the county is a hot zone.

“It’s the balance of something that’s a very difficult choice, like how many deaths and how much suffering are you willing to accept to get back to what you want to be, some form of normality, sooner rather than later?” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the administration’s top infectious disease official, said Monday on CNN.

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