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If Zimmerman is found "not guilty" of murder/manslaughter, do you think the verdict will cause race riots?

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« on: July 13, 2013, 12:18:22 AM »
I don't understand this. Why do any black people think that George Zimmerman is white? Lemme put it this way... if you saw a group of Klansmen rallying somewhere, walked up to the apparent leader of the group, asked if you could possibly join them, and they take one look at you and say, "Are you fucking kidding me?"... like they would most definitely say to George Zimmerman... then chances are astronomically good that you aren't white.

It's not a black vs white thing. Not at all.

I'm personally kinda undecided as to his guilt or innocence. As a permit carrying gun owner, I can't completely call him innocent. If you have a permit for a handgun, you NEVER follow and seek out a potential threat. That's not entirely what the "stand your ground" law is for. On the other hand... I've seen the photos of Trayvon Martin's dead body as well as the police photos of George Zimmerman detailing his injuries. There was not a single mark on Trayvon Martin's face AT ALL. The only visible injury he had was the gunshot wound. Zimmerman had a busted puffy nose, blood running down his face, and blood running out of gashes in the back of his head as well. Judging from the injuries, Martin was whooping the shit out of Zimmerman before he finally fired.

Still, there's probably a ton of evidence that the jury has seen which the public hasn't. And the "crazy ass cracka" star witness obviously didn't do the prosecutor any favors. So who knows what the hell the jury is thinking right now.
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2013, 01:48:31 AM »
  He didn't follow him, he got out of his car to look at the closest apt door to see the address. This was to let the police know where he last saw TM. While in the dark he gets confronted by this pot smoking, white hating thug who hits him and the fight is on. On his back and losing the fight, fearing for his life he pulls his gun and rightfully defends himself. The police originally let him go and didn't charge him with anything for 44 days. The arrest came after the black community demanded something be done. GZ has told the same story from the beginning. His back was wet and had grass on it from the struggle, his nose broke and the back of his head bloody. An eye witness said GZ was on the bottom and they proved the shot was close but TM's  shirt was 2 to 4 inches from his chest when the bullet entered proving he was on top of GZ. This is a clear case of black people taking advantage of white peoples guilt over slavery.  The fact that they already brought in extra police and are begging people to not be violent no matter the outcome only proves people in law enforcement think black people are out of control, and for good reason IMO. Fkn liberals.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2013, 02:12:12 AM »
He didn't follow him [...] Fkn liberals.

Look, I enjoy firing pistols and rifles at gun ranges. But I don't think, "He didn't follow him" accurately describes the scenario we hear on tape.


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Re: The Zimmerman Trial... Possible Race Riots?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2013, 03:15:11 AM »
On tv the legal analysts said it all comes down to whether or not zimmerman was justified in fearing for his life.

obviously there was a confrontation and a fight...

and that fight looks to have been going trayvon martin's way...

but was he justified for fearing for his life?

zimmerman also claims trayvon martin told him "you are going to die tonight"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-die-tonight-zimmerman-claim-article-1.1387167

the only question in my mind is whether or not this actually happened or whether zimmerman squeezed this tidbit in himself.

the problem is that there is no way the prosecution can rebut this because trayvon martin is dead.

I see a hung jury / not guilty..... not enough evidence for 1st degree murder, and with this quote, not enough evidence for manslaughter

I don't see riots happening, the nation is interested, but not to the extent of OJ Simpson.

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2013, 05:38:45 AM »
If Zimmerman is found innocent, I think there will be small instances of violence in some locations, but they won't be large or widespread.  The press will try to play them up and turn this into something bigger, and in some cases they will cause the violence to grow.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2013, 10:12:05 AM »
I recently discussed this issue and it seems Zimmerman is a German surname, so he is white to 99.99% of black people.  If you ask me, it's just another case of racists looking for a reason to be racists.   They want him to be white, if he's white then they're justified in their racism themselves somehow.  ::)   I've even heard the term "fucking racist cracker is gonna get what's coming to em if he doesn't get time".     It's a pretty skewed and hypocritical point of view.   

The icing on the cake?  If you as a white person genuinely sympathize with Trayvon Martin, it's explained away as "White Guilt".   Literally can't fucking win.   I dunno about anyone here, but I've never known/owned a slave.  The early 1500's to 1865 was a long time ago, so unless this so called "White Guilt" can pass through genetic information, it's a racist term in itself.

On topic of the actual case, I think it's a tough call.   We may never know the actual events that led up to Trayvon getting shot.  It could of happened in a cople ways where they're both justified.   On one hand, Zimmerman was getting the dog shit beat out of him and could of fired out of fear for his life.  On the other hand, Trayvon could of had the gun pulled on him, feared for his life and went into fight or flight mode.    Either way, Zimmerman was no authority.  His job as a community watchman was to view crimes and report them, confronting anyone like that directly, especially if you believe them to be a street thug, is not the correct approach.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2013, 11:45:46 AM »
Either way, Zimmerman was no authority.  His job as a community watchman was to view crimes and report them, confronting anyone like that directly, especially if you believe them to be a street thug, is not the correct approach.

That's another good point. I didn't watch the trial on TV, but I'm gonna assume the state put it forth that neighborhood watch people are not supposed to pursue or confront suspected criminals, they're just supposed to watch and call the police when anything happens. He did call the police, and they have him recorded saying something close to "they always get away", further supporting that he was following him.

I can't say that maybe I wouldn't do the exact same thing. We've had a few car break-ins around my neighborhood. I know that if I saw someone unfamiliar snooping around one of my neighbors houses in the dark, I'd definitely ask them what the hell they were doing. I've had my shit broken into and stolen before, so I know exactly how it feels to lose things that belong to you and have no idea who took it. It's the most helpless and enraging feeling in the world to not even BEGIN to know where to look for the person who did it. And after it happens, the police do NOTHING at all to help document what was stolen or recover it unless it was an entire car. I'd want one of my neighbors to do the same thing if they saw someone creeping around my house in the night.

On one hand, technically neighborhood watch ain't supposed to do shit unless it's with a telephone. On the other hand, I have ZERO fucking faith in the police and personally believe that people should be able to protect themselves and their neighbors by any means necessary whether its lawful or not. If more of these burglarizing fucks knew that they were taking their own lives into jeopardy when attempting to steal peoples shit, maybe a couple of them would realize that it's not worth the gamble. Maybe the ones that continued doing it would come armed and ready to kill if necessary, but I propose that anyone willing to do that is ALREADY bold enough to do just that regardless of what the situation is.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2013, 02:29:31 PM »
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Believe me, it was not the original idea I had for it. The original one was MUCH more offensive, hehe. But recent admin policing efforts have convinced me to curb my penchant for controversy. See. Like I said....

If more of these burglarizing fucks knew that they were taking their own lives into jeopardy when attempting to steal peoples shit, maybe a couple of them would realize that it's not worth the gamble.

 ...If you show the proper amount of force, it'll change certain peoples behaviors. Proof positive right here.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2013, 02:34:12 PM »
they should go for the involuntary manslaughter charge. or something along those lines.  a lighter sentence but a sentence nonetheless. he disobeyed police dispatch to follow him. he wasn't defending himself. he wasn't in danger until he left his car. willfully nonetheless. he's not a cop. he should not have followed. he's the neighborhood watch. so.. watch.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2013, 07:18:55 PM »
Not Guilty.... this case doesn't come near ankles of the Troy Davis case, which called for plenty of riots / retaliation, if it does occur it will die out in a few days...
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2013, 07:54:06 PM »
If Zimmerman is found innocent, I think there will be small instances of violence in some locations, but they won't be large or widespread.  The press will try to play them up and turn this into something bigger, and in some cases they will cause the violence to grow.

Now we will see if this happens.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2013, 08:02:07 PM »
Well theres a difference in this case and the Rodney King era. This is post-9/11 America. Dunno how willing the federal government will be from now on to sit back and let total anarchy take over a whole city. Would be nice to give the National Guard someone to kick the shit out of, put that little bit of training they have to the test.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2013, 11:17:41 PM »
they should (HAVE GONE) for the involuntary manslaughter charge. or something along those lines.
Fixed. Too late for that now...Really never should have charged him from the beginning based on the provable evidence at hand and state law...but it shows how much impact pressure from the national politicians, media and interest groups can have local and state politics when that bright spotlight comes shining.

That judge saw the way the wind was blowing there at the end and did some questionable shit that showed just how much pressure was on her from on high to help win.

As far as what really happened that day, it really is a woulda, coulda, shoulda fuck up by both of them that resulted in two ruined lives.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2013, 11:23:50 PM »
He didn't follow him [...] Fkn liberals.

Look, I enjoy firing pistols and rifles at gun ranges. But I don't think, "He didn't follow him" accurately describes the scenario we hear on tape.


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Not to mention by law, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO STARTED THE FIGHT, ONCE YOU FEAR THE OTHER GUY IS TRYING TO KILL YOU, YOU CAN DEFEND YOURSELF BY KILLING HIM. sorry for yelling.
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2013, 01:02:13 AM »
Yes quadz GZ did follow TM in his car until he was told by the police not to follow him. Once the police told GZ not to follow TM, GZ got out of his car to look at the closest address to his (GZ's) current location.

Haha. I'm not inclined to suspect either side is entirely blameless, but that carefully crafted version of events from the defense seems to strain credulity.


Not to mention by law, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO STARTED THE FIGHT, ONCE YOU FEAR THE OTHER GUY IS TRYING TO KILL YOU, YOU CAN DEFEND YOURSELF BY KILLING HIM. sorry for yelling.

Although I'm aware of the changes introduced by the "castle doctrine" and/or "stand your ground" laws, are you suggesting it's justifiable now in general (I'm no longer talking about GZ vs. TM specifically here) to walk around with a concealed firearm, goad someone into a fight, and then shoot them once the fight gets out of hand?


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November 29, 2019, 11:00:53 AM
Some snazzy updates to the ray-traced version of Q2:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnYtathGvdw
 

Prophet

November 28, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
Did the server just crash? Dont see the address pulling up all of a sudden after I got a phonejack
 

|iR|Focalor

November 27, 2019, 11:55:59 PM
 

Admin

November 26, 2019, 07:22:56 PM
Hm. And the network had seemed so well-behaved of late.
 

|iR|Focalor

November 26, 2019, 12:23:48 PM
Servers went haywire again. Was in the middle of a game on vanilla when the graph started showing green sawtooth stuff. My address book is only showing IRTDM1, IRTDM2 and FOX. No DM, no Vanilla, no Railz.
 

quadz

November 24, 2019, 10:14:15 PM

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