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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #1140 on: March 24, 2020, 06:23:41 PM »
Full text from a Facebook post:

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Maybe I'm not a "pro-life" Christian—just a decent human being who believes people living here right now, deserve to be here as long as they can. I don't give a damn about the economy if it costs us humanity. I'll be okay with that balance in my ledger.

Haha! Amazing.




Anyway - I agree 2 weeks is too short. But otherwise the meat of the Facebook post seems to be more inept holier-than-thou waffling from someone who appears to believe a collapsed economy has no bearing on the purchasing value of a dollar.

Worse - it's just uncharitable partisan strawmanning.

In any case - the most seemingly-plausible mitigation scenarios I've seen countenanced seem to be some variation on the "Hammer" / "Dance":



details ->
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #1141 on: March 25, 2020, 01:04:00 AM »
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« Reply #1142 on: March 25, 2020, 01:49:03 AM »


I thought Trump was impeached for why he withheld aid to Ukraine, not simply that it was done.
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« Reply #1143 on: March 25, 2020, 03:03:15 AM »
And WHY is she blocking the aid? The WHY's are fairly congruent.
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« Reply #1144 on: March 25, 2020, 09:34:41 AM »
And WHY is she blocking the aid? The WHY's are fairly congruent.

She wasn't "blocking the aid", she was refusing to accept the terms as they were currently written. Trump was literally ordering aid to be blocked, and for totally different reasons. Nancy wasn't doing it solely to make a political opponent look bad so she would improve her odds in an upcoming election. This isn't me defending Nancy, it's me saying that meme made a dumb argument/comparison.
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« Reply #1145 on: March 25, 2020, 09:40:36 AM »
"Chuck Schumer made sure businesses controlled by Trump, his family, and top US officials couldn't get money from the government's $2 trillion coronavirus bailout fund"

"On Sunday, the president indicated that he had not ruled out congressional aid for the Trump Organization should the bailout funds become available."

That probably had something to do with the delay. They wanted some assurance that none of the funds would be diverted into Trump's properties, i.e. his pockets.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-chuck-schumer-bars-trump-businesses-from-bailout-fund-2020-3
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« Reply #1146 on: March 25, 2020, 10:04:06 AM »
You really believe that? It took so long so they could make sure the evil orange man didn't get any of the money?

Do you think any of them said "this is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision" so let's use this crisis to our advantage, obstruct, and sneak in our various items we wish we could pass?
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« Reply #1147 on: March 25, 2020, 10:27:38 AM »
You really believe that? It took so long so they could make sure the evil orange man didn't get any of the money?

Do you think any of them said "this is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision" so let's use this crisis to our advantage, obstruct, and sneak in our various items we wish we could pass?

I think it was a bad time to try to implement components of the Green New Deal, if that's what some of those reported additions by Pelosi, or whichever Democrat it was, were. Yes, I absolutely believe that that had something to do with part of the delay, that they wanted to ensure that "the business fund would be distributed fairly and that Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin would not use it to help Trump and his allies." Trump is a crook, and is using his presidency to enrich himself, his friends, and his family. He didn't become president out of the goodness of his heart. I don't honestly understand why you wouldn't believe such a thing.
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« Reply #1148 on: March 25, 2020, 10:35:47 AM »
Something to do with part of the delay is very generalized. What do you think was the main reason why it took so long?

Do you think any of them said "this is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision" so let's use this crisis to our advantage, obstruct, and sneak in our various items we wish we could pass?

By them I mean democrats.
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« Reply #1149 on: March 25, 2020, 11:54:31 AM »
Trump is a crook, and is using his presidency to enrich himself, his friends, and his family. He didn't become president out of the goodness of his heart. I don't honestly understand why you wouldn't believe such a thing.

Have we forgotten what so many politicians are like? I mean, you've described the Clintons to a T.

Of course we should anticipate some mixed motivations and conflicts of interest are in play; but we also have Trump on record for decades in interviews talking about various issues he would want to address were he President.

And lo and behold, upon becoming elected, he's been pushing to address some of the very issues he said he cared about.

Reality is clearly more complex than simply "orange man bad!"
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« Reply #1150 on: March 25, 2020, 08:30:00 PM »
I think Trump has donated his salary to charity each year.

It would be good to see the wealth numbers of the Clinton's & Obama's before & after their Presidential terms.
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« Reply #1151 on: March 25, 2020, 10:56:28 PM »
It would be good to see the wealth numbers of the Clinton's & Obama's before & after their Presidential terms.

It would be good to see Trump's wealth numbers before his Presidential term.
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« Reply #1152 on: March 26, 2020, 04:41:10 AM »
"If Your Doctor Spoke Like Trump" by Sam Harris (apparently)

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So it seems you’ve tested positive for the Chinese virus, the so-called Covid NINETEEN, the Corona—nobody knows what to call it, quite frankly. It’s the most amazing thing, no one knew anything about Corona until a few weeks ago.

But the moment I heard about it—the Wuhan flu; it’s also the Wuhan, or WuHAAN—that’s a city in China. Many people don’t know that. But the moment I heard about this Chinese flu, I ordered a test. And it’s an amazing test. We do better testing than anywhere in the world. Some say the Germans have the best tests, but they don’t. Our tests are even better.

So you’re positive for Corona. And usually “positive” is a positive word—it’s a very good word, frankly. Everybody thinks it’s good, apart from what you hear on the news—which is fake. It’s largely fake. But in medicine, “positive” is not so good. So it’s very confusing. And I’ve always been very clear about that. Some say “positive” is always good, but I’ve never agreed with that.

So you’re positive for the Corona. But you’ll be fine. Totally fine. You might think you’re going to die—and everybody does die, eventually. But you’ll be fine. You feel fine, right? You won’t need a ventilator. There are no ventilators—but you won’t need one.

How old are you, 55? You won’t need one. Some people need a ventilator, and they’re amazing machines. Did you know the first ventilator was made by Henry Ford? It’s an incredible piece of equipment. But you’ll be fine.

The virus gets into your lungs, which is where you breathe. But you have two of them. Some say you have a spare. Some people only have one lung. It’s true. But I don’t talk about spares. I always want both. Given a choice, I want two lungs.

So I’ve asked nurse—what’s your name, Nancy?—I’ve asked nurse Nancy to keep you comfortable. And Nancy is one of our finest nurses. I mean, just look at her. Incredible, right? Nancy, you’re really incredible. You’re not afraid of Corona, are you, the Chinese Plague? I didn’t think so. Nancy will bring you whatever you need. And if you start coughing, do that into your elbow, so you don’t make a mess. Okay, you’re doing great. I’ll see you later.
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« Reply #1153 on: March 26, 2020, 04:58:30 AM »
It would be good to see the wealth numbers of the Clinton's & Obama's before & after their Presidential terms.

It would be good to see Trump's wealth numbers before his Presidential term.

You might just be surprised by how un-rich he actually is. For all the buildings with the Trump name on them, he actually owns very few of them. Most of the time, he's licensed his name for a one time fee to these people building things. Convincing everyone he's so ridiculously rich has largely been an act since the 90's. He's rich in the sense that he certainly has more money than all of us blabbing on this messageboard combined, but it serves his branding purposes for everyone to think he's worth more than he actually is, because that's most of what he is at this point, a brand name. He was instrumental in revitalizing Manhattan and the Central Park adjacent areas in the early 80's, but beyond that, he's been largely "unremarkable" in the real estate business. His casinos in Atlantic City were flops by way of overspending (possibly a mob cleanout job to settle a debt, who knows, and to be noted that's just personal conjecture not based on fact).

"If Your Doctor Spoke Like Trump" by Sam Harris (apparently)

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Mm hmm. I see this asshole on TV every fucking day, and it's to the point now where I'm LITERALLY screaming like a fucking crazy person when I hear his god damn voice. SHUUUUUUT THE FUUUUUUUUCK UUUUUUUUP! SHAADAp! SHADAP SHADAP SHADAP! SHAAAAADAAAAAP! He keeps blabbing on like the fucking pitch-man that he always is, and this is NOT the fucking time to be pitching people how great things are GOING to be. This is one thing he has NO fucking control over, and NO handle on it, and it's NOT going to get better like he keeps saying. This motherfucker, I wish he'd come down with the worlds worst case of laryngitis for fucks sake. One that would last for another month or two at least.
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« Reply #1154 on: March 26, 2020, 08:52:29 AM »
Do you think any of them said "this is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision" so let's use this crisis to our advantage, obstruct, and sneak in our various items we wish we could pass?

There was a reason I put that in quotes by the way. It was a direct quote from Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC).

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2903577001

So yeah. That's why it took so long. Not to keep the evil orange man from filling his pockets, but using a crisis to cram as much of their agenda into the legislation as possible.
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