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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #825 on: January 26, 2020, 04:08:28 PM »
So rarely do I get to use this emoticon:

  :lolsign: :dohdohdoh: :dohdohdoh:

I sincerely hope Fox covers this endlessly implying that MSNBC is the most racist news in America.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #826 on: January 26, 2020, 05:30:49 PM »
What a crazy slip, lol. Think someone wrote it on the teleprompter?

Certainly amusing to have happened on MSNBC.

Of course, flubbing and combining word sounds is a common occurrence, especially when thinking ahead of where one is talking.

I've read the anchor said she was tongue-tied on Knicks and Lakers.

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P.S. I recall seeing a montage awhile back of anchors flubbing Martin Luther "Coon" Jr. (Day / Boulevard / High School / etc.)



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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #827 on: January 26, 2020, 06:01:23 PM »
And she'll probably be able to keep her job because she's a woman and people tend to be more forgiving towards women. So when people want to act like the supposed abundance of sexism is somewhere close to the abundance of racism,... sorry, nope. Your victimhood culture loses that argument.

If it were a man, 100% guaranteed he'd be fired.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #828 on: January 26, 2020, 09:28:42 PM »
The very first time I listened to it (from the link in this thread), I heard "Nakers", then on subsequent listens, I hear the N word. I just found another link and it sounds more like "Nakers" to me now. Hard to tell... Would be nice to hear an original broadcast of it and not someone recording their TV with their cell phone.

Here's one that sounds a little more like "Nakers", or at least that it's ambiguous enough to me that that might be what she said.

In this one, it sounds more like a 'K' to me than a 'G'


https://twitter.com/i/status/1221556609664593925
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« Reply #829 on: January 26, 2020, 10:35:17 PM »
The very first time I listened to it (from the link in this thread), I heard "Nakers", then on subsequent listens, I hear the N word.

Same here.

But our brain's auditory system is deeply influenced by what we've been primed to expect to hear (as well as by what we're seeing.)

For anyone unfamiliar, start with the McGurk effect:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k8fHR9jKVM


McGurk effect is great because it's so obvious what's going on.

From there, check out this Phantom Words effect:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB0I5x_Skzg

If you're like most people, even though the sounds aren't changing, one can shift through hearing several different words or phrases the brain has conjured out of the noise (and often switch back to hearing prior ones at will.)


A similar video I'd seen in the past year or two, but which I'm unable to find, was a visual variation on the Phantom Words effect. It would swap between a couple words on the screen while the audio is playing, and without the audio actually changing, the visual perception of the word would change the "heard" audio to match.

(If I can ever find that one again I'll post it.)


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #830 on: January 26, 2020, 11:31:55 PM »
(If I can ever find that one again I'll post it.)

Haven't found that one, but here's one certainly relevant to the "Nakers" phenomenon.

(The Sesame Street one, not the electrical towers.)


https://twitter.com/stevestuwill/status/1079418299216261120

Trivial to hear it both ways, for me. (Depending on which variant I'm "listening for".)

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #831 on: January 27, 2020, 04:18:40 AM »
Listening on my phone now, and all I can hear is the N word. I imagine the vast majority of people listening to this are also listening on their phones, particularly the ones listening and getting super upset, calling for her to be fired, etc. Listening on my computer, particularly with a version I came across earlier on Twitter that someone had slowed down, "Nakers" seemed much more likely. I believe that's what she actually said ("Nakers"). It'll be interesting going forward how this is handled. What an unfortunate combo of words to screw up, particularly in the current social/political climate.
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« Reply #832 on: January 27, 2020, 05:29:13 AM »
Sounds like n*ggers to me with headphones on. Her response to misspeaking doesn't really add any insight either. Sure, she didn't say "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry I was just watching southpark on my phone right before this broadcast."  But, her simply correcting herself could mean that she actually did say Nakers. Or, she was just in complete shock that she said Los Angeles N*ggers on national television.

For real though the only thing that could've made this fail more epic is if she was talking about the Chicago Bulls  :lolsign:
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« Reply #833 on: January 27, 2020, 07:38:27 AM »
Check this one out... slowed down version. Sounds closer to "Nakers" to me. Listen to this once and think of "Nakers", then do it again with the N word, and see which one it sounds more like. Also, if she's saying the N-word, then she's saying it with some sort of accent that she doesn't seem to have in any of her other words/speech:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1221583817401602048
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« Reply #834 on: January 27, 2020, 08:14:39 AM »
That even sounds more like n***ers, lol. I don't have a passionate stance on it really, it's just comical that it came from MSNBC.

It could very well be Nakers, but I have no idea how someone could listen to that and say "this sounds more like Nakers than n***ers." No way. I can see someone saying "it sounds like n***ers, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt because I can kinda hear Nakers". Ok. But that slow mo sounds even more like n***ers to me. We'll see what other posters here think, I guess.
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« Reply #835 on: January 27, 2020, 08:19:22 AM »
After listening to it more, slow mo sounds like the Los Angeles Naegers perhaps. That's still n***ers, lol. It's a G and not a K. Curious to see what others hear.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #836 on: January 27, 2020, 09:41:47 AM »
If anything, she just invented a clever new meme by which people will get away with saying n*ggers by saying "nakers".

Another piece of unforseen comedy is the fact that what Quadz has chose to replace n*gger with in the forums word filter is perhaps more offensive than the actual word at this point in the age of woke progressiveness.

n*gger = stereotypical ethnic ghetto-style individual

One could argue that he intended to say that all black people are poor bums from the ghetto who fit that stereotype. They'd shame him all over social media. And eventually he'd be forced to grovel and apologize for his innate wrongness about absolutely everything. They'd settle on chemical castration as a just and fitting punishment, and he'd never be able to express an opinion ever again without an army of assholes screaming at him and being ultra-critical of everything he says to the point of taking it completely out of context.

It's a good thing Q2 isn't popular anymore. Otherwise they'd crucify the lot of us for many things we've said here, especially me. It's a damn good thing I never jumped on the bandwagon and signed up for Facebook or Twitter. I'd surely have been executed for thought-crimes against humanity by now.
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« Reply #837 on: January 27, 2020, 12:22:22 PM »
It could very well be Nakers, but I have no idea how someone could listen to that and say "this sounds more like Nakers than n***ers." No way. I can see someone saying "it sounds like n***ers, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt because I can kinda hear Nakers". Ok. But that slow mo sounds even more like n***ers to me. We'll see what other posters here think, I guess.

I don't have an opinion on what it "really" is, but 'k' and 'g' are practically the same throat shape in those two words.

But my very first listen was "un-primed". That is, there was no pre-existing video title with the "n-word" already present in the first clip I'd watched. And on the first un-primed listen I heard "Nakers". But then I immediately realized what the controversy was going to be about and as soon as my brain made the "n-word" association, that's how it's sounded since. (It's hard for me to hear "Nakers" now.)

Of course, in the larger picture, I don't care which conjunction of phonemes someone's mouth produced in a moment of being tongue-tied (apart from the humorous element.) Similar to someone with Tourette's in principle.




Another piece of unforseen comedy is the fact that what Quadz has chose to replace n*gger with in the forums word filter is perhaps more offensive than the actual word at this point in the age of woke progressiveness.

n*gger = stereotypical ethnic ghetto-style individual

Haha. Forgot those substitutions were in there. (Probably since 2007-ish? The intent at the time was along the lines of discouraging use of the slur while reframing in terms of culture rather than race.)


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« Reply #838 on: January 27, 2020, 05:47:00 PM »
Of course, in the larger picture, I don't care which conjunction of phonemes someone's mouth produced in a moment of being tongue-tied (apart from the humorous element.) Similar to someone with Tourette's in principle.

Got interrupted earlier and ended up hitting "post" early.

But the point I was hoping to get to relates to the deluge of attempts on social media to frame this as some sort of moral lapse on the part of the anchor. That's the part I "don't care about."

Obviously they're not going to hire someone with Tourette's to read the news (sadly.) ;)

And if an anchor flubs lines too often then it'd be unsurprising for them to be let go or reassigned.

But there have been some really big-brained takes out there like, "Oh yeah well WHY WAS THAT WORD IN HER VOCABULARY!"

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« Reply #839 on: January 28, 2020, 07:02:55 PM »
Obviously they're not going to hire someone with Tourette's to read the news (sadly.) ;)

Dude... we need investors. Streaming nightly tourettes news. It's fucking BRILLIANT! How many Lamborghini's you gonna buy?
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