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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #810 on: January 09, 2020, 08:04:30 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.amp.html

Is there anyone that didn't think that's what really happened when this occurred?

I'm going to use my imagination a tad, I don't presume this to be the truth. But let's say trump secretly tells Iran hey, I'm going to kill your general and there's nothing you can do about it. It's happening, but to save face you can lob a few of these outdated ballistic missiles. Don't use your best cruise missiles, and NO casualties are permitted. DON'T FUCK THIS UP. You can tell your country whatever you want, say whatever. Just only launch them here, we'll make sure no one is in the blast zone. But after you launch those missiles, WE'RE DONE. No more fighting, OK? Good.

Well, they fucked it up. Which is a testament to how unprofessional, reckless, and stupid they are. The odds of one of those inaccurate unpredictable scud ballistics like Saddam had randomly hitting a plane are absurd. Maybe it was on purpose and they really want WW3. Maybe it was targeted as a mistake. The only thing I'm sure about is how stupid they are.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #811 on: January 11, 2020, 11:24:27 AM »
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #812 on: January 11, 2020, 11:38:56 AM »
Sounds like an excuse, sure. On the other hand, that's just how inept jails and the police can be every damn day of their lives.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #813 on: January 15, 2020, 12:03:20 AM »
Haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but the first 40 minutes have been a fascinating discussion about the Mexican cartels, pros & cons of officially designating them terrorist organizations, ongoing ramifications of the "drug war", folks from China setting up labs in Mexico to produce Fentanyl; etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPBejhoKlb8

The guest seems particularly knowledgeable on the subject.

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #814 on: January 15, 2020, 03:26:20 PM »
What do you guys think would happen to the Mexican drug cartels if all drugs were legalized in the U.S., Mexico, and Canada?
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #815 on: January 15, 2020, 05:47:14 PM »
Have y'all simplified what happened in Iran to this extent? Iran claimed victory over the US and is celebrating over the missiles, some sources claiming to have killed 80 US soldiers. They're happy. Trump killed their top general, threw more sanctions at them, and they're happy. He completely swindled them in this deal.
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« Reply #816 on: January 16, 2020, 10:45:11 PM »
What do you guys think would happen to the Mexican drug cartels if all drugs were legalized in the U.S., Mexico, and Canada?

It's coming up on 20 years since Portugal decriminalized (but not legalized) drugs:
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In Portugal, drugs are still illegal, but any user carrying less than 10 days’ worth of illicit substances will simply have their supply confiscated. They will then undergo an assessment with a social worker, psychologist, and lawyer. Only a small fraction of users will experience further consequences. These can range from a few days’ community service to a ban on visiting venues in which the person is known to obtain or use drugs. Some high-risk cases may receive invitations to undergo treatment. Drug rehab is voluntary in all but the most exceptional circumstances.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/portugal-drug-decriminalization-statistics

What they've attempted strikes me as probably the most sane (and compassionate) path through a landscape of bad and worse trade-offs. Or at least close to it. (Apparently they're still debating legalizing cannabis, but they're concerned about how to justify it as a special exception.)

Not sure how this type of decriminalized-but-still-illegal policy affects drug cartel economics. Maybe there's no change, since distribution is still illegal.

But: despite my own inclination to want to maximize individual liberty, FULL legalization of ALL drugs sounds like something that could just 'game-theoretically' be expected to turn out badly. (Substances that are both highly addictive and which do mental/physical damage just seem to be obvious public health risks at a societal level.)

One could imagine legalizing a few drugs across the spectrum specifically chosen for being the least addictive and least likely to do permanent physical harm to mind/body, in the hopes that their availability might steer users away from more harmful options.

But again: the policy landscape seems filled with bad and worse options from which one must choose. But throwing nonviolent users into prison seems insanity. Portugal's approach sure seems like an improvement to me.

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #817 on: January 16, 2020, 11:10:35 PM »
Have y'all simplified what happened in Iran to this extent? Iran claimed victory over the US and is celebrating over the missiles, some sources claiming to have killed 80 US soldiers. They're happy. Trump killed their top general, threw more sanctions at them, and they're happy. He completely swindled them in this deal.

Indeed. It was quite a gamble. It all seemed to ride on how Iran would choose to retaliate. It did not seem a sure thing that Iran would be smart or careful enough to retaliate bloodlessly.

But, so they did. And it sure seems that what has transpired so far, was about as optimal an exchange as one could hope for, from the U.S. perspective.


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #819 on: January 17, 2020, 02:06:26 AM »
That one "article" is clearly parody and ridicule. But it's pretty fucked up when one like this is inching closer and closer to the truth of reality every day:

https://babylonbee.com/news/inequality-woman-makes-just-13-day-selling-pet-rocks-etsy-male-robert-downey-jr-made-millions-to-play-iron-man

I know it's a joke because I saw the peace pipe thing first. But if I saw the Robert Downey Jr. one first, for at least a split second I'd be like, "Wait a minute, are they serious?". Which is a pretty disappointing statement about current affairs. This is what a movement striving for "progress" has given us. Good job.
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« Reply #820 on: January 17, 2020, 02:31:51 AM »
What do you guys think would happen to the Mexican drug cartels if all drugs were legalized in the U.S., Mexico, and Canada?


It would not wave a magic wand and make them disappear. They'd likely be forced into other business ventures, which would initially increase competition between them once again, sparking all out war between themselves, probably on a scale never witnessed before. Unlike American organized crime outfits, they don't seem to give a damn about handling their business in public, nor do they have much incentive NOT to accrue collateral damage in the form of murdered civilians and destroyed property, because they already have much of the countries police force on their payroll. By necessity, that violence would spread to the southwestern United States on a larger scale, but also to everywhere else in the US and Canada where other organizations would be directly or indirectly affiliated with those Mexican cartels. For example, street gangs in Baltimore and Detroit would have a renewed reason to go after one anothers territory due the volatile prospects of the new businesses. Most of them would be convinced that profits would be harder to come by in that new economy, and they'd be right. Because if you can't sell drugs... what the hell is gonna be more profitable than drugs? Absolutely nothing, that's what.

I think that the new business would likely be a vast expansion of human trafficking and forced prostitution.

What else is there that can render the kinds of profits that narcotics can? Bootleg alcohol? Nope. Illegal gambling? Nope. Everythings been done, and all of it's been legalized and is now controlled and regulated by your government. They'd have to find something new, something the government is too scared to touch at the moment. Under the surface, local governments DO allow asian massage parlors to operate as de facto brothels, they just don't advertise that they're involved in it. But they certainly are. They do it for the extra money, which really isn't much, and it says to me and anyone else looking closely enough at it that they're probably directly pocketing that money. YOUR FINE UPSTANDING LAW ABIDING GOVERNMENT AT WORK. ::)

To be more precise, you'd have to better define what you mean by "legalized". Would cocaine be produced in laboratory environments, free from the hideous adulterants that backwoods Peruvian producers dump into the stuff to make it, and would it be available for retail purchase in highly regulated and restricted quantities? If so, then what I just described is the natural course things would take.

But if your idea of "legalization" simply means "decriminalization" and nothing much further, then it would be business as usual. The same people would still buy the same stuff, nothing would change. If anything, their profits would increase and they'd increase their output and expand their organizations.
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« Reply #821 on: January 19, 2020, 09:09:23 PM »
Interesting - though provocatively titled - argument


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJPw-ICYp8

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« Reply #822 on: January 20, 2020, 02:21:28 AM »
Quote from: Alan M. Dershowitz
Tribe and the Democratic House majority, led by Speaker Pelosi, want to have their constitutional cake and eat it too: they want Trump impeached but not acquitted. Sorry, but the Constitution does not permit that partisan, result-oriented ploy. Either Trump has been impeached and is entitled to a Senate trial; or he has not been impeached and is entitled to a clean slate.

[relevant meme seems relevant]



Turns out she just was just waiting on her fucking etsy custom ordered thousand dollar gold plated pens to arrive via UPS.


Interesting - though provocatively titled - argument


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJPw-ICYp8

Am I having a weird deja-vu moment, or am I accurately remembering that you already posted this video somewhere before?

edit: A-Ha! November 30th. I'm NOT crazy!

Interesting analysis


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJPw-ICYp8

https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/diagnosis/medical_tests

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CHCQ/LCP/Pages/FindNursingHome.aspx
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« Reply #823 on: January 20, 2020, 08:57:54 AM »
Am I having a weird deja-vu moment, or am I accurately remembering that you already posted this video somewhere before?

edit: A-Ha! November 30th. I'm NOT crazy!

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