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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #945 on: February 20, 2020, 05:52:39 PM »
I didn't watch. I was busy watching... uh... what was I watching?

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« Reply #946 on: February 20, 2020, 06:40:21 PM »
I didn't watch. I was busy watching... uh... what was I watching?
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reminded of the following (late 80's)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY89VSH-vC0

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #947 on: February 20, 2020, 08:18:40 PM »
Worthwhile vid clarifying natural rights vs. derived rights vs. entitlements.

⇒ What if you found yourself isolated on a desert island. What are your intrinsic natural rights. What happens when we add people?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBKyJ9jOwPs

1:10 - Natural Rights
2:55 - Derived Rights
4:00 - Property Rights
5:00 - Responsibility (to not prevent exercise of others' rights)
7:00 - Healthcare ("…is a human right?")
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #948 on: February 21, 2020, 12:49:06 AM »
I don’t know if he was being glib or ignorant but when he pronounces John Locke as John Loki he lost all credibility with me. The rest of the video was noise.
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« Reply #949 on: February 21, 2020, 01:38:29 AM »
I don’t know if he was being glib or ignorant but when he pronounces John Locke as John Loki he lost all credibility with me.

Sure, that was worth a chuckle. But we all know there's a nonzero probability of mispronouncing words one has only read.

(I once pronounced 'cacophony' as cack-oh-phony while making an earnest point to some of my peers, in my early 20s.) :D


The rest of the video was noise.

How do you mean?

For those unfamiliar with the distinction between negative rights and positive rights, the start-from-scratch attempt to pursue the distinction between natural rights and entitlements in this video should be (at least) illuminating.

He's certainly not wrong about the distinction. And noticing what freedoms exist as an individual in isolation (just you + resources) is a perfectly workable starting point for then contemplating what is changed when another human is added into the mix.

To put it another way: One possesses 100% of one's natural rights in isolation. Tribes or governments can protect these rights, or infringe upon them, but there's no way to add to them. Any legislation that purports to guarantee someone else's labor on your behalf is an entitlement, not a right.


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #950 on: February 21, 2020, 02:09:09 PM »
The Woke Left finally pushed her LGBTOOFAR


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #951 on: February 21, 2020, 04:31:19 PM »
"When people say that straight black men are the white men of black people..."

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Except for the fact that some people likely say that and are serious, which is pretty...  :LAME: :zzz:

I sincerely hope that one day we emerge from this fog of stupidity and are able to laugh about how utterly ridiculous the behavior was in this era. Because the alternative is that the trend continues, and nothing could be more unfunny than that prospect.

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #952 on: February 21, 2020, 06:40:38 PM »
To put it another way: One possesses 100% of one's natural rights in isolation. Tribes or governments can protect these rights, or infringe upon them, but there's no way to add to them. Any legislation that purports to guarantee someone else's labor on your behalf is an entitlement, not a right.

Which begs the question: if the right to life and liberty are inalienable human rights, isn't it infringing on those rights to deny someone healthcare because they can't afford the exorbitant prices charged by corporations? Case in point, the 3000% price increase of insulin recently hiked up by a corporate shark just because he could.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #953 on: February 21, 2020, 08:39:06 PM »
To put it another way: One possesses 100% of one's natural rights in isolation. Tribes or governments can protect these rights, or infringe upon them, but there's no way to add to them. Any legislation that purports to guarantee someone else's labor on your behalf is an entitlement, not a right.
Which begs the question: if the right to life and liberty are inalienable human rights

Again: You are already in possession of 100% of your right to life and liberty while living in isolation.

These rights concern what may not be taken away from you or may not be imposed on you.

By adding other people to the system, you do not acquire the right to demand someone labor on your behalf.


isn't it infringing on those rights to deny someone healthcare because they can't afford the exorbitant prices charged by corporations? Case in point, the 3000% price increase of insulin recently hiked up by a corporate shark just because he could.

I agree this is a regulatory issue, but it is not a rights issue — at least not in the direction implied.

Positive rights are incoherent, as they necessitate compelling others' labor, and such imagined “rights” evaporate as soon as that labor can’t (won’t) be provided.

Where your example scenario becomes a rights issue, is where regulation (to limit price gouging) will necessarily infringe on the seller's economic liberty. And, ironically, the seller is only enjoying a monopolistic position by taking advantage of intellectual property statutes which in turn necessarily limit competitors' liberties.

All of this remains coherent as an expression of negative rights. Through regulation we agree to limit (i.e. subtract from) natural rights in various ways to reign in game-theoretical exploits in the market. And this we agree is necessary to maximize freedom that would be lost in an unregulated system. But none of this requires a pretense that positive rights exist, which make unfulfillable promises in the form of unlimited demands on others labor in the service of said "rights."

tl;dr: I agree regulation would seem appropriate in your example scenario, but positive rights are incoherent.

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« Reply #954 on: February 22, 2020, 06:29:32 PM »
tl;dr: I agree regulation would seem appropriate in your example scenario, but positive rights are incoherent.

P.S. I tend to write in declarative, closed statements. As opposed to more open-ended dialogue that would keep a conversation flowing. (Don't mind me. Always interested in more ideas.)

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« Reply #955 on: February 22, 2020, 07:10:14 PM »
tl;dr: I agree regulation would seem appropriate in your example scenario, but positive rights are incoherent.

P.S. I tend to write in declarative, closed statements. As opposed to more open-ended dialogue that would keep a conversation flowing. (Don't mind me. Always interested in more ideas.)



We all have our own writing styles :)

As far as this particular topic - hailing from the UK as I do, I see it less as demanding someone else's labour, more as changing the method of payment. The NHS works by taking its funding from taxation: everybody who makes use of it, pays for it, and when they make use of its services they've already essentially paid for what they receive, so they don't get hit with a big lump sum they can't afford. There are basic prescription charges but they're low and limited.

The tax system in the UK also works very differently, mind: since the UK is a single state with no federal/state issues, there's a single set of tax brackets depending on income, and you don't do your own taxes: that's all taken care of automatically and you just get a statement each tax year. For 99% of the population, nobody either owes anything or gets any refunds.

The whole system is really to my mind both more effective and easier on people.
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« Reply #956 on: February 23, 2020, 06:00:47 AM »
Tax rates is the UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-and-allowances-income-tax/income-tax-rates-and-allowances-current-and-past

Tax rates and bands
Tax is paid on the amount of taxable income remaining after allowances have been deducted.

Band   Rate   Income after allowances 2019 to 2020   
Starting rate for savings                                       10%     Up to £5,000                      (6,500.00)
Starter rate in Scotland                                       19%   Up to £2,049                      (2,654.00)
Basic rate in Scotland                                               20%   £2,050 to £12,444              (2,654.00 - 15,732.00)
Basic rate in England & Northern Ireland               20%   Up to £37,500                    (48,581.00)
Basic rate in Wales                                               20%   Up to £37,500                    (48,581.00)
Intermediate rate in Scotland                               21%   £12,445 to £30,930            (2,654.00 - 40,069.00)
Higher rate in Scotland                                       40%     £30,931 to £150,000           (40,069.00 - 194,325.00)
Higher rate in England & Northern Ireland               40%   £37,501 to £150,000           (48,582.00 - 194,325.00)
Higher rate in Wales                                               40%   £37,501 to £150,000            (48,582.00 - 194,325.00)
Top rate in Scotland                                               46%   Over £150,000                    (194,325.00)
England & Northern Ireland Additional rate               45%   Over £150,000                   (194,325.00)
Wales Additional rate                                               45%   Over £150,000                   (194,325.00)

The current exchange rate is 1 UK Pound = 1.3 US Dollars
He is a site for conversion - https://www.currency.me.uk/convert/gbp/usd

I know that a lot of things are covered by the government, but those rates are high.  I wonder how good the services are?
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« Reply #957 on: February 23, 2020, 08:25:23 AM »

I know that a lot of things are covered by the government, but those rates are high.  I wonder how good the services are?


They have been higher than that. People also pay far less for higher education than in the US because it's still (partly) taxpayer funded; basic tuition fees didn't even come into existence until, I think, 1998? As for how good the healthcare services are, I always got in to see my doctor the same day I made the appointment, there were no co-pays or out-of-pocket fees, and prescriptions never cost me more than £5. And all that without having to have any kind of insurance.
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« Reply #958 on: February 23, 2020, 11:23:22 AM »
As far as this particular topic - hailing from the UK as I do, I see it less as demanding someone else's labour, more as changing the method of payment. The NHS works by taking its funding from taxation: everybody who makes use of it, pays for it, and when they make use of its services they've already essentially paid for what they receive, so they don't get hit with a big lump sum they can't afford. There are basic prescription charges but they're low and limited.

From what I've seen, UK politicians are clamoring about the NHS being underfunded, while expenditures have continued to grow:



I've noticed UK citizens praising the NHS in one breath (as in, "we're glad it exists") and then in the next breath talking about increasing wait times for life-critical operations, overworked doctors, rundown hospitals in parts of the country.

While I do want to see some form of universal coverage in the U.S., I do not want it to work like the NHS.

Currently I have excellent coverage through my employer - and it's a small business, fewer than 20 employees. Hospitals are clean, plenty of doctors to choose from, wait times practically nonexistent, certainly for anything urgent. (My wife waited 2 or 3 weeks for a corrective eye surgery, but there was no health risk associated with the delay.)

When I was self-employed, it was harder (and more expensive) to get coverage. But the fact that my current employer is such a small business and yet is able to provide top-notch health coverage, suggests to me there are parts of our strange system that nevertheless actually do work well.

What I mean is: I would like to see us move toward universal coverage without breaking the parts of our system that are producing good results. To do that, I think we would need to incentivize businesses to continue offering coverage, rather than have them stop providing it once a government alternative begins to exist. That is, I think the government plan ("public option") should be there to pick up the slack so that people who are self-employed can afford coverage, and people who are temporarily unemployed aren't left out either.

I'm willing to pay some amount more in taxes to achieve universal coverage through some form of "public option", but here is what I do not want:

  1. pay more in taxes
  2.  AND get worse care (like the NHS)

(I can accept #1 but not #2.)



The tax system in the UK also works very differently, mind: since the UK is a single state with no federal/state issues, there's a single set of tax brackets depending on income, and you don't do your own taxes: that's all taken care of automatically and you just get a statement each tax year. For 99% of the population, nobody either owes anything or gets any refunds.

For me, it's a hard stop at 49% (state + federal combined.)

In a system designed to value personal liberty, the government should not be taking more than half of one's yearly earnings. This would be prioritizing the collective over the individual, in a way that points in the direction of tyranny.

I'm fine with marginal tax rates, paying a higher percentage as I cross earning thresholds. But do the math at the end of the year and it better not cross 49% in total. If the government can't function taking HALF of one's earnings, then something is wrong in a way that I don't condone "throwing more money at the problem" to fix.

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« Reply #959 on: February 23, 2020, 06:57:36 PM »
I'm one of those weirdos that enjoy my health insurance provided by my employer as well. Great in regards to quality and wait time, however, I do find myself being an intermediary nearly every time to actually GET my provider to pay for services that are covered (despite the healthcare facility having my card and information, lol). That failure is extremely consistent, I'd say about 90%. But, it's likely due to our health insurance administrators always being swamped and understaffed dealing with facilities because my provider is uncommon and not known to a lot of places. If they have to get involved with nearly all of my families visits, they gotta be busy with the other 2,700 employees+families.

Bernie and others keep saying that he'll take away my insurance and I'll pocket 20k a year by going to medicare for all. There is NO FUCKING WAY im even getting half as good of healthcare with that happening, correction IF that happens. It's absolutely ridiculous that a situation is being painted that I get money and better services from medicare for all when the whole friggin' purpose of universal healthcare isn't to benefit ME. They're so full of shit. The logistical and institutional failures are endless and a complete nightmare once we do have universal healthcare, which I'm not opposed to, but they act like it's some flawless plan most of the time when it's the exact opposite.
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