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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #390 on: July 07, 2017, 04:39:37 PM »
So-called "anti-fascist" thugs (AntiFa) rioting and setting fires in Hamburg, Germany this morning:


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #391 on: July 07, 2017, 06:40:01 PM »
Ah-ha. I think I get it now. Anything that isn't communist is fascist. Good to know kids these days are capable of critical thinking. There's no way these brilliant kids are getting used and abused by the devils speaking poison in their ears.

I'd say, "Oh well, it's Germany, at least it ain't America, fuck 'em.", but... I'm afraid the fucking retards in the US just pushing dumpsters around and breaking a couple windows will see how they do shit elsewhere, and it'll give them the courage to go a little farther with their destructiveness.

I've been saying for years, "Fuck non-violent protests. Protest violently and fuck someone up! VIOLENCE WORKS! It's the entire reason why 'Terrorists' are 'Terrorists'!" And finally, kids are actually starting to realize this truth... only, it's the wrong fucking ones.
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« Reply #392 on: August 10, 2017, 12:07:23 AM »
Trump just threatened North Korea again, and this Time he used similar language that Kim Jong in usually uses...


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/08/08/trump-warns-north-korea-threats-will-be-met-with-fire-and-fury.html

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States," Trump told reporters, speaking slowly and deliberately with his arms crossed in front of him. "They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. He has been very threatening ... and as I said they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before."
Later Tuesday, North Korea's state media said that the country was considering a strategy to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with mid- to long-range missiles, according to Reuters.


I spent a lot of the day watching the news and a lot of people are pretty nervous and scared...

Trump is a rational man, he has a family, he believes in god... He is the president of the United States...

And yet he's seriously threatening nuclear war.

For fuck sakes just give Kim Jong un the security and recognition that he wants. Give him money give him stature, make him a monarch, fuck it. We lost, we lost a long time ago.

Theres no reason to get millions of people killed. Let him win, let him grow old and let time soften his anger at the world. We should continue to concentrate on preventing other countries from development, but we need to let this one go. I'm really concerned, none of us knows Kim jong uns real temperament... Trump needs to back down
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« Reply #393 on: August 10, 2017, 02:57:02 AM »
I don't agree with letting that crazy little Korean kid in the doctor evil outfit win. The threats world leaders use are dumb, and they're empty threats mostly used as scare tactics. The concept of it is stupid but it's a reality. We'll have to see if Trump fighting fire with fire(these other leaders make those threats all the time) works I guess. Keep in mind that everyone in the world thought George W was a dumb cowboy and it scared them to death, which equated to respect despite any other aspects of his presidency.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #394 on: August 10, 2017, 03:11:51 AM »
May the ghost of Ronald Reagan kick you squarely in the nuts.

WE. DO. NOT. NEGOTIATE. WITH. TERRORISTS.

Never back down from a bitch. Piecemeal, it convinces the bitch that he is not a bitch. This emboldens the bitch to do increasingly dumb shit. Thus why you NEVER BACK DOWN FROM A BITCH. EVER.
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« Reply #395 on: August 10, 2017, 11:51:08 AM »
May the ghost of Ronald Reagan kick you squarely in the nuts.

WE. DO. NOT. NEGOTIATE. WITH. TERRORISTS.

What do you call the Iran deal?

The minute he got 1 bomb, the game was over. We never physically hit russia, we just got them to change their minds.

" The Soviet economy could not keep up with that of the United States or, indeed, with the fast-developing market economies in Asia. Thus it was left with no alternative but to undertake fundamental reform. Ronald Reagan’s support for greatly increased American military spending, not least on his Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), forced the Soviet Union to admit defeat and to pursue a concessionary foreign policy. Victory went to the side with the greater economic and military strength, and President Reagan, having the stronger cards at his disposal, played them well. In this account Mikhail Gorbachev was enough of a realist to see the direction in which history was moving and to accommodate himself to it."

WHO IS KIM JONG UN? He does not appear to be rational. He is trying to perfect the mistakes of hitler..

Unsanction the fucker and let his power die from within. eventually his people will revolt, its just a matter of when, not if. Maybe 30 years? Who knows, but its better than nuclear war
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #396 on: August 10, 2017, 12:22:20 PM »
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #397 on: August 10, 2017, 04:25:52 PM »
WHO IS KIM JONG UN? He does not appear to be rational. He is trying to perfect the mistakes of hitler..

Unsanction the fucker and let his power die from within. eventually his people will revolt, its just a matter of when, not if. Maybe 30 years? Who knows, but its better than nuclear war

If you're gonna equate him to Hitler in one breath, and then say "Let's concede." with the next breath, then clearly you haven't studied enough about Hitler. The Allies worst mistake was giving in to the territorial demands that Germany made when they annexed the Sudetenland, Rhineland, Poland, and then eventually most of western europe. British PM Neville Chamberlain's downfall was HELPING Hitler get tons of strategic military manufacturing power and territory in the Rhineland without even firing a shot. So if we're gonna make Hitler comparisons, let's agree that making concessions is what emboldened him and strengthened the rhetoric that he was the German messiah, which further helped Hitler's efforts of pushing his country (as well as the whole of Europe) back into a re-fighting of WW1.

And WW2 really didn't last that long when you consider how long most wars in history usually go for. And it killed EXPONENTIALLY more people in a very small amount of time, and it ended only when one nation was fucking nuts enough to set off a couple of nuclear bombs. So consider what "might" happen if someone fails to learn from the mistakes of the past and GIVES IN to this fat little zipperhead fucker in a Bond villain suit.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #398 on: August 10, 2017, 07:42:58 PM »
We should setup a "Go Fund Me" to send 2Dum to North Korea to work this thing out.  We only need enough money to get him there  :dohdohdoh:
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« Reply #399 on: August 11, 2017, 12:57:27 AM »
...WW2... ended only when one nation was fucking nuts enough to set off a couple of nuclear bombs. So consider what "might" happen if someone fails to learn from the mistakes of the past and GIVES IN to this fat little zipperhead fucker in a Bond villain suit.


The lesson to be learned from WW2 is that Japan was delusional, and when you fight a delusional enemy, they will kamikaze your ass to hell until you nuclear bomb the will out of their anus.

we did not concede shit to japan... when you face a delusional enemy, giving in or not makes no difference. Kim jong is not a Gorbachov, he belongs in arkham asylum.

There is going to be a war on the korean peninsula unless we back off.

The north korean black market is alive, they read our news and watch our movies. All it takes is 1 soldier with balls to put an end to him. Eventually it will happen.

 
You sound all too comfortable with nuclear war.
 

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« Reply #400 on: August 11, 2017, 03:49:53 AM »
You're completely overlooking everything I said concerning your Hitler/Kim comparison, either by stupidity or by willful ignorance. I'm gonna be nice an assume it's willful ignorance because you know I make an excellent point that is hard to argue against.

Japan was not the focus of the comparison, nor should it be. Your beginning and repeated assertion was that Kim, like Hitler, is a batshit crazy delusional dictator with murderous ideals who belongs in a loony bin. Traditionally, no one has ever categorized either Emperor Hirohito or General Tojo Hideki as "crazy", at least not "crazy" in the same way that Hitler and the Kim dynasty was/is. Furthermore, far less total people died in the Pacific theater than in the European theater.

You sound all too comfortable with nuclear war.

Not at all. I grew up in the Reagan 80's and still remember how terrified everyone was that the Soviets were gonna hit the big red button and turn the entire earth into a lifeless wasteland of radioactive ash. Britain agreeing to concede territory to Germany is the first domino that fell in a long line of dominos which "ended"* with us dropping nukes on Japan. Had nothing been occurring in Europe, Japan probably wouldn't have had the balls to draw an economic powerhouse like the US into war. And even if they did, we would've had 4 or more times as many resources to throw at Japan. The entire thing could've been a massive sustained bombing campaign that would've resulted in fewer US casualties in the Pacific theater due to less GI involvement.

*It ain't over. And WW2 was not the beginning. Thousands of years from now, if this conflict ever finds a final resolution, I believe historians will view WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Soviet-Afghanistan, US-Afghanistan, Iraq, and all the countless number of smaller or rarely remembered conflicts as individual chapters of one book about one very long war. ...Well, that is... if anyone is still around to write or read that book. If shit ever gets to the point where it was 70 years ago, then chances are pretty good that there won't be anyone around to give a fuck. And if you lift all the sanctions and embargos on North Korea, what's gonna happen is... like HITLER (wink wink), they're gonna have the economic wherewithal to begin manufacturing an even bigger deadlier military force, which they will eventually USE against the South and then,... who the fuck knows. All we know for sure is that last time the western allies gave an enemy too much leash to run around on, they came back and bit us in the ass.
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« Reply #401 on: August 15, 2017, 09:52:26 AM »



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« Reply #402 on: August 15, 2017, 02:13:54 PM »
Haha.

Damn, these people are crazy. It's not just neo nazis, kkk, new black panthers, antifa, and BLM either. It's alt right and the "leftists" too. They're all bat shit crazy to me, and because I have that opinion and label them all crazy I'm racist by comparing them and I'm racist for not speaking up that's proportionate to my privilege.

If you present the argument to me: "This is a statue of a guy that supported slavery, and he particularly wanted to fight to preserve it. Why should my tax dollars go towards the upkeep of it when my ancestors were slaves?" I'd say hell yeah good point. But no one has this discussion. If it has anything to do with the confederacy it's racist, period. Not all the statues depict a dude that I described above. Robert Lee wasn't to my understanding. And do these statues even contribute to racism today? Hell no. It's from all the crazies I mentioned above. But I'M the racist.  :lolsign:

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« Reply #403 on: August 15, 2017, 02:17:26 PM »
I'm not a confederacy supporter nor a civil war history buff. Someone sent this to me today though:


By Edward C. Smith
Saturday, August 21, 1999
© Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

Let me begin on a personal note. I am a 56-year-old, third-generation, African American Washingtonian who is a graduate of the D.C. public schools and who happens also to be a great admirer of Robert E. Lee's.

Today, Lee, who surrendered his troops to Gen. Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Court House 134 years ago, is under attack by people -- black and white -- who have incorrectly characterized him as a traitorous, slaveholding racist. He was recently besieged in Richmond by those opposed to having his portrait displayed prominently in a new park.

My first visit to Lee's former home, now Arlington National Cemetery, came when I was 12 years old, and it had a profound and lasting effect on me. Since then I have visited the cemetery hundreds of times searching for grave sites and conducting study tours for the Smithsonian Institution and various other groups interested in learning more about Lee and his family as well as many others buried at Arlington.

Lee's life story is in some ways the story of early America. He was born in 1807 to a loving mother, whom he adored. His relationship with his father, Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee, (who was George Washington's chief of staff during the Revolutionary War) was strained at best. Thus, as he matured in years, Lee adopted Washington (who had died in 1799) as a father figure and patterned his life after him. Two of Lee's ancestors signed the Declaration of Independence, and his wife, Mary Custis, was George Washington's foster great-granddaughter.

Lee was a top-of-the-class graduate of West Point, a Mexican War hero and superintendent of West Point. I can think of no family for which the Union meant as much as it did for his.

But it is important to remember that the 13 colonies that became 13 states reserved for themselves a tremendous amount of political autonomy. In pre-Civil War America, most citizens' first loyalty went to their state and the local community in which they lived. Referring to the United States of America in the singular is a purely post-Civil War phenomenon.

All this should help explain why Lee declined command of the Union forces -- by Abraham Lincoln -- after the firing on Fort Sumter. After much agonizing, he resigned his commission in the Union army and became a Confederate commander, fighting in defense of Virginia, which at the outbreak of the war possessed the largest population of free blacks (more than 60,000) of any Southern state.

Lee never owned a single slave, because he felt that slavery was morally reprehensible. He even opposed secession. (His slaveholding was confined to the period when he managed the estate of his late father-in-law, who had willed eventual freedom for all of his slaves.)

Regarding the institution, it's useful to remember that slavery was not abolished in the nation's capital until April 1862, when the country was in the second year of the war. The final draft of the Emancipation Proclamation was not written until September 1862, to take effect the following Jan. 1, and it was intended to apply only to those slave states that had left the Union.

Lincoln's preeminent ally, Frederick Douglass, was deeply disturbed by these limitations but determined that it was necessary to suppress his disappointment and "take what we can get now and go for the rest later." The "rest" came after the war.

Martin Luther King Jr. was one of the few civil rights leaders who clearly understood that the era of the 1960s was a distant echo of the 1860s, and thus he read deeply into Civil War literature. He came to admire and respect Lee, and to this day, no member of his family, former associate or fellow activist that I know of has protested the fact that in Virginia Dr. King's birthday -- a federal holiday -- is officially celebrated as "Robert E. Lee-Stonewall Jackson-Martin Luther King Day."

Lee is memorialized with a statue in the U.S. Capitol and in stained glass in the Washington Cathedral.

It is indeed ironic that he has long been embraced by the city he fought against and yet has now encountered some degree of rejection in the city he fought for.

In any event, his most fitting memorial is in Lexington, Va.: a living institution where he spent his final five years. There the much-esteemed general metamorphosed into a teacher, becoming the president of small, debt-ridden Washington College, which now stands as the well-endowed Washington and Lee University.

It was in Lexington that he made a most poignant remark a few months before his death. "Before and during the War Between the States I was a Virginian," he said. "After the war I became an American."

I have been teaching college students for 30 years, and learned early in my career that the twin maladies of ignorance and misinformation are not incurable diseases. The antidote for them is simply to make a lifelong commitment to reading widely and deeply. I recommend it for anyone who would make judgment on figures from the past, including Robert E. Lee.

[Dr. Smith is co-director of the Civil War Institute at American University in Washington, D.C.]
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« Reply #404 on: August 15, 2017, 02:27:13 PM »
I have been teaching college students for 30 years, and learned early in my career that the twin maladies of ignorance and misinformation are not incurable diseases. The antidote for them is simply to make a lifelong commitment to reading widely and deeply. I recommend it for anyone who would make judgment on figures from the past, including Robert E. Lee.

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