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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #330 on: January 27, 2017, 09:03:54 PM »
Our people in general care more about low price and being cheap than they do about durability or quality of construction,

I don't agree. Thing is... many of the cheaper lower quality import products have price tags on them with ludicrous markups simply because retailers have apparently conspired to set such unreasonable prices. Go to any anchor store (Penney's, Nordstrom, Macy's etc)mall across the country and tell me the clothing they sell is REALLY worth that price on the tag. Because in 6 months they turn it over to one of the sister discount stores like Marshalls and sell it for less than half... and STILL make money. Yeah, Americans DO need to change. Not just consumers, but manufacturers and retailers too. There's unreasonable costs that can be controlled. Execs at the top of companies make too much, retailers spend too much leasing newer outlets decked out in ridiculous decor, etc etc, so many things that foreign competition doesn't do. A fucking baggie of rubber worm fish lures costs less at Kmart than at Bass Pro Shops for a reason. So much of what makes up the culture of modern American retail is just hedonistic excess and waste sometimes. You dont need a 90,000 gallon freshwater aquarium display filled with 40 pound mutant freak largemouth bass to sell me some rubber fuckin' worms, it's just stupid.

As for quality... take electric guitars for example. American made Gibson guitars cost more because they are higher quality. The labor cost of the skilled American handmade craftsmanship, unlike what many guitar geeks might tell you, really isn't as big of a factor like some people think. It's simply made better with better parts and all of it equates to a product with more value. And they are highly sought after products that get exported all over the world. You can't make them exactly the same in China... specifically because EPA standards prohibit the use of the lacquers they use to finish. Dunno about anyone else, but it makes me wonder if the whole "looser EPA regs" thing is really as much of an issue in cost as an overpaid company suit might want everyone to believe so he can keep kicking up larger pieces of the pie to Sam Waltons shitty greedy spoiled kids who are terrible fucking human beings.

Anyway, just my thoughts on it. Doable. Totally doable... as long as the jackasses at the top of the pile are responsible enough to be decent and reasonable. They make 3 million a year though, and they'll have to take a pay cut to make the income go farther... but you try taking a million dollars away from someone without them going postal. Hard for that reason, but technically doable.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #331 on: January 28, 2017, 06:30:03 AM »
I remember something about Stradivarius violins.

"Global Warming" is my least favorite topic to discuss. So I won't, but it's related.

The medieval warming period was followed by the little ice age. The farthest cooling dip or minimum was in 1645, and wood acquired from the trees that endured this crazy cold weather made the highest quality Stradivarius violins. Apparently the tone was unparalleled from these and are priceless today. It made me think about it when focalor discussed American vs foreign guitars being that the climate where the wood/trees were grown even matters.

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #332 on: January 28, 2017, 07:30:40 PM »
US electric guitars vs Japan/China/Indonesia/etc electric guitars as far as the wood goes, they probably all use certain woods grown from the same place, especially for fingerboards. Some of the traditional and most popular woods are becoming "endangered", and they're starting to put restrictions on their usage. Dark ebony, which is usually a black color and was typically found on things like the various Gibson ES semi-hollowbody and Les Paul Custom guitars, is basically illegal to use now. Gibson now uses some kind of synthetic plank on those now, including the $7000 BB King models, which is kinda retarded. Its cheaper than ebony, yet the guitar has still gone UP in price since they started using it. I think some overseas makers still use ebony, but I dunno what the deal is with importing and customs and why they don't prohibit and confiiscate it. Saw a video with Peter Frampton in it a week or so ago and he mentioned his old Les Paul Custom Black Beauty that he couldn't travel with for fear that customs might take it. And actually traditional rosewood is going to added to the list of endangered woods as well. I think Gibson and Fender are already starting to use another species of non-endangered rosewood (Brazillian rosewood or something I think, I dunno). Its kinda lighter almost orangeish colored compared to regular dark brown rosewood.

Anyway, US makers may use the same wood from the same trees from the same suppliers that Japan does, but US makers only use the higher graded cuts, they use proper wood glue rather than epoxy, and they dont piece together things with scraps to make a 20 piece body blank like the idiots in China might. So theoretically you could make a 2 grand US made Gibson SG and a 300 dollar Chinese Epiphone Les Paul Jr from the same tree, but because of differnt wood grades and costruction, they will sound VASTLY different.

As for Stradivarius violins, its more likely the age and meticulous 100% handmade construction that determines the price. Supposedly as tonewoods dry out more and more over a period of several decades, their clarity and sound improves. I dunno how true that really is. Anybody with an antique stringed wooden instrument is SUPPOSED to keep the thing in a humidor so it won't dry out totally because then the wood will split. I have an old late 1950's Silvertone acoustic guitar that has split all over the place for that very reason.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #333 on: January 28, 2017, 09:32:17 PM »
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #334 on: January 29, 2017, 12:16:23 AM »
She glares at him like that even when he's NOT horndoggin' it. She's a fucking bitch with resting bitch face syndrome.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #335 on: January 29, 2017, 04:06:29 AM »
Trump is more ban happy than I am on the tourney servers.  :oops:
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #336 on: January 29, 2017, 09:57:31 AM »
Trump is more ban happy than I am on the tourney servers.  :oops:

Haha!  :dohdohdoh:

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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #337 on: January 29, 2017, 10:04:53 AM »
The rise of the New Bigotry: The modern Left's obsession with identity politics.


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #338 on: January 29, 2017, 02:29:44 PM »
Concerning the 7 countries that were a part of Trump's 120 day immigration ban:

I'll take a devil's advocate stance with this since you have to turn on Fox News to see something positive about it(positive and retarded).

-No, it's not what he proposed during his campaign which essentially targeted muslims although everyone's calling it a Muslim ban.......YET.

- There's no morocco, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait , etc on that list for a reason. Some say trump didn't include the countries he does business with or other corrupt things. I think it's a weird coincidence that those are the non-asshole countries but we'll see. Yes, the Saudis were conveniently left out and are very wealthy and have been linked to funding terrorism. But, when have they NOT caught a break with that?

- I see so many people from the left criticizing what America has done in history, and rightfully so. I agree with it, but they completely turn a blind eye to other parts of history. In 1948 the UN looked through history and decided the Jewish people had a rightful claim to Israel after it was taken from them by the Ottoman Empire. But where were the Jews at before 1948? They were scattered out through the Middle East. Ok, so why aren't there any living there anymore? Because the Jews were SO happy to have a country of their own that they all left their homes and jobs to go there? HELL no. Those Arab countries said 'Well, y'all got your own country now, so get the fuck outta here mother fuckers'. Maybe one of those countries that booted out 3/4 million Jews should take some refugees.

-A lot of countries don't take refugees. Mexico doesn't, and the US did it during the Great Depression.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #339 on: January 29, 2017, 03:42:01 PM »
Bloomberg noted that the Muslim country ban only consisted of countries where Trump doesn't have business connections to, which explains why Saudi Arabia and the UAE weren't on the ban list, even though the 9/11 hijackers came from there: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/


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It was hilarious to see this Congressman's opinion of Trump's immigration ban get destroyed by this CNN journalist. He has no valid response.

My take on the ban is that Trump doesn't know wtf he is doing (as usual), and overall neither does his administration. The true mastermind behind the ban probably is Steve Bannon, since not only does he write the executive orders, he's a known white nationalist whose ideals want to see an end to immigration, most definitely of Muslims and Latinos. This immigration ban is suppose to last only 90-120 days, which I am assuming the Trump administration is trying to use in order to buy some time to come up with a more comprehensive plan on immigration policy. Right now, the Trump administration doesn't have anything really besides: "build the wall" and somehow get Mexico to pay for it.

IMO, we have a bunch of headless chickens operating the executive branch. The worst thing about it is that they have a lot of extremist views. Trump says he wants to strength the police and so I don't even want to see what that would entail. I guess he never learned anything about Ferguson. This administration seems to be a combination of ill-informed, ill-experienced, stupid and too willing to push agendas without verifying it with experts. Very dangerous.
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« Reply #340 on: January 29, 2017, 06:15:05 PM »
Bloomberg noted that the Muslim country ban only consisted of countries where Trump doesn't have business connections to

Hm. It's being reported the 7 countries were precisely those already having travel visa restrictions selected by the Obama administration:

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-list-of-muslim-countries-trump-wants-to-ban-was-compiled-by-the-obama-administration

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The countries were chosen during Barack Obama's presidency.

According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.
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At the initial signing of the restrictions, foreigners who would normally be deemed eligible for a visa waiver were denied if they had visited Iran, Syria, Sudan or Iraq in the past five years or held dual citizenship from one of those countries.

In February 2016, the Obama administration added Libya, Somali and Yemen to the list of countries one could not have visited — but allowed dual citizens of those countries who had not traveled there access to the Visa Waiver Program. Dual citizens of Syria, Sudan, Iraq and Iran are still ineligible, however.

So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.
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« Reply #341 on: January 29, 2017, 06:19:52 PM »
Barton: Yes. Valid points but in general I'd be open-minded to the thought that this administration wants foreign leaders to think exactly how you are. I'm not saying it's the case, but it could be a statement by trump to command respect from others because they think he's dangerous. George W had that quality although way different than trump. Times have changed since Teddy Roosevelt's show of force when he sent our brand new all-iron naval ships around to tour the world. There's new ways of doing things. Trump accomplishes this extremely well as long as his strings are being pulled appropriately by smarter people than him.

I'm always posting from my iPhone and it's a tad more difficult to get everything I'd normally say across.
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« Reply #343 on: January 30, 2017, 01:01:50 AM »
The rise of the New Bigotry: The modern Left's obsession with identity politics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTHFLqJfdq8

So much cringe.

The worst part about it is people like her are in a weird kinda way more "racist" than ACTUAL average American racists. Her facepalmingly transparent prime motivation for saying that is to cement the black vote, which basically means she thinks they're stupid enough to be played so easily, which is sort of a racist and predatory mentallity, right?

Thing is, it's not a behavior exclusive to the Democraps. The Republicunts do it too. Righteous outrage about races victimizing each other seems more and more like it's really just a convenient smokescreen used to divert the stupid peoples attention away from the bigger real issue of how badly they're being fucked and victimized by the ruling class.

People shouldn't be smashing windows and burning stores because the Republican guy won and racism sucks. They should be smashing windows and burning stores because it makes no fucking difference if he won or not.
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« Reply #344 on: January 30, 2017, 08:21:21 AM »
Yup. I know I lean to the right a tad, but it's actions like that and many others that really piss me off about the left. Younger people especially.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

I'm not saying I agree with the angle of this video since they conveniently left out the main argument against it(blacks in rural areas and republicans having a different motive behind the voter ID law) but look at our younger left generation. They don't even know the argument against it, say it's racist, when they themselves are categorizing from their ignorance. Those represent a massive amount of Hillary votes and piss me off just as much as your worst and most ignorant trump supporters.
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