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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #150 on: December 04, 2015, 11:31:44 AM »
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #151 on: December 04, 2015, 04:56:16 PM »
I just read this article stating that the California San Bernadino couple had ties to ISIS. Apparently, the lady swore allegiance on facebook.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/

A movie comes to mind..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133952/

......

These people are not rational. Their mind set is not of this society or of these norms. They are literally drunk.....

i pray this is the first and last of usa isis, but i doubt it  :miffed:
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #152 on: December 06, 2015, 06:01:42 PM »
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #153 on: December 06, 2015, 11:03:07 PM »
Nobody's forcing anybody to believe in Jesus. Fact of the matter is that if you get December 25th off from work in the United States of America, it's because that's "Christmas Day", not because it's Hannukah, Kwanza, or Ramadan, or anything else. Because Hannukah is 8 days before the 25th, Kwanza is a bullshit fake holiday that some black dude from Maryland created in the mid-60's because he wanted to feel special. (People in Africa don't celebrate Kwanza or care to, it's only the blacks in the US that wanna somehow feel connected to Africa even though they've never been there.  ::)) And Ramadan? Who gives a shit about Ramadan. Fuck Allah. Point is... December 25th on this continent has been known as Christmas Day ever since the european invaders, err, I mean settlers, brought it here with them. It's been here for a few hundred years now. The British, Spanish, French, and Dutch all celebrated it. Doesn't mean YOU have to, though. But it does mean you can't just call it something else and actually MAKE it something else. It is what it is. Get over it. I fucking HATE Jesus. I know that Christmas was originally the pagan winter solstice holiday that the Christians in Europe "borrowed". Jesus, if he was a real person, was actually not born in December. It's more likely that he was born around March or April when Christians celebrate Easter. Still... knowing all that... I still call it Christmas. Because I'm not so much of an asshole that I think I can put lipstick on a pig and make it more fuckable. It's a pig, don't fuck it, just let it be a fucking pig already. Relax in the realization that Christmas isn't even a real thing anyway. It's just as bullshit as any other December holiday. Anyone who wants to say otherwise... I challenge you to find ONE SINGLE MENTION of a Christmas holiday IN ANY FORM WHATSOEVER in the bible. It ain't there. Because it's always been a western europe thing, not a middle eastern thing. And all the fuckers that wrote the bible, they all came from the wrong region, it was entirely unknown to them. (just like dinosaurs and quasars in outer space, which they were ALSO not familiar with and didn't write about)

I don't even know why I spend time typing this shit out. Everyone probably already knows all this. And I don't even give a shit if certain cunt bitches wanna flap their ugly chicken wings and fling feathers and get all bothered by bullshit like this. Let 'em get mad. Fucking shitbags obviously have nothing better to do with their lives than try to tell others what they ARE and AREN'T gonna call a date on the calendar. Really? Do these people think this shit even matters? Do they think some grave injustice will be done if someone says Christmas? Will someone get their little feelings hurt beyond all repair to the point that they'll require years of psychological therapy to come to terms with their mental anguish over calling a day one specific word? Do these marching protesting bra-burning hippy douchebags think that one day they'll be heralded as saviors of all mankind for their efforts at making everyone a faceless cultureless conglomeration of collectivist shiteaters? People are fucking pussies. Stupid pussies.

I've said it for years, we as Americans really don't have much of a storied culture. We have many regional cultures, but nothing really in-depth like the older nations. That's why we have so many Mexican, Chinese, and Italian restaurants in this country. They aren't just selling food, they're selling a cultural experience because WE DON'T FUCKING HAVE ONE. Christmas is one of the only old world traditions we still have left. Just saying. People should leave it the fuck alone.

Because if the dim-witted folks living around 300 AD didn't give a shit what the original holiday was all about when Constantine decided to call it something else, then why should the enlightened and far more intelligent peoples of this era give a shit what Constantine called it? Kinda makes those stone and mud hut dwelling uneducated dumbass peasants from 300 AD look like the smarter ones to me. It's just a mindless tradition with values set towards generosity, kindness, and family. But I suppose that kinda shit is awful and SOMEONE NEEDS TO PUT A FUCKING STOP TO IT RIGHT NOW!  ::)
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #155 on: December 07, 2015, 04:27:23 PM »
I like what my Sheriff had to say today -
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #156 on: December 07, 2015, 06:38:15 PM »
We can trust Iran, they always abide by the rules - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/07/iran-tests-another-mid-range-ballistic-missile-in-breach-un-resolutions.html?intcmp=hpbt2  :dohdohdoh:

Again for me is that the whole western world with its allies and heck even the UN is trying to project political correctness. However what we stubbornly hypocritical about is that the these perceived threats don't play by our rules.
Take a look at this whole refugee thing. tens of thousands are welcomed by the EU open arms coz they want to say that they are doing what is right. Pfft. Like how many of this refugees would become islamist radicals once they had settled? Not to mention the "sleepers" that IS and other muslim terrorists had embedded.
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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #157 on: December 07, 2015, 07:21:22 PM »
We can trust Iran, they always abide by the rules - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/07/iran-tests-another-mid-range-ballistic-missile-in-breach-un-resolutions.html?intcmp=hpbt2  :dohdohdoh:

Again for me is that the whole western world with its allies and heck even the UN is trying to project political correctness. However what we stubbornly hypocritical about is that the these perceived threats don't play by our rules.

Nooooo, the UN already banned such tests for 8 years. And they're gonna sanction them.

For the longest time, the UN always said they were gonna "sanction" Iran. And I gotta imagine that back then, Iran's head honchos probably laughed at it and high fived each other about it. It's happened so many times that they probably don't even react to it anymore, they just completely ignore it, maybe do one of these...  ::) and go about their business.

But on the plus side, I don't think we have to worry as much* about Iran going PMS and attacking the US on a whim. They've probably got an enemy in this "Caliphate" located right down the street from them. And they know that it's far more likely that these Iraqi-Syrian gangsters will try crossing their borders than Americans will.
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« Reply #158 on: December 15, 2015, 05:24:07 AM »
http://john.soupwhale.com/?p=127

It's long, but read this(the secondary, way longer post that's really not even a reply to the 2nd) and tell me what your take on it is.
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« Reply #159 on: December 15, 2015, 01:56:57 PM »
http://john.soupwhale.com/?p=127

It's long, but read this(the secondary, way longer post that's really not even a reply to the 2nd) and tell me what your take on it is.

Busy day today, but while I agree in general that modifications in complex systems will have unpredictable consequences, the author seems to make a number of bizarre assertions.

"The Civil Rights Movement was based on the idea that if you could just get all of the racist laws off the book, minorities would be able to succeed."

Pretty sure a "success" outcome would have been a secondary goal at best.

"the happiest women on earth live in the places that are most oppressive to women"

Abuse of opinion polling statistics. Affluent westerners complaining about first world problems isn't equivalent. Imagine the level of reported unhappiness that would ensue by relocating groups of the freest women into the most oppressive societies.

"The stereotypical conservative thinks homosexuality was going to lead to bestiality, but actually it led to transsexuals"

Transsexuals were there already.

"You think minimum wage increases will lead to prosperity, the conservative thinks it’ll lead to massive unemployment, actually it leads to everyone having designed-DNA children which aren’t classified as human to get around the minimum wage laws"

I gather he's being a bit facetious here. (Interesting thought, though robots seem more likely...)

"When we look back through history, we tend to see a pattern of societies generally getting more and more things right until we reached today, when the objectively correct set of values and value weightings was finally discovered"

I take it he's actually lampooning the notion that the current set of values is "objectively correct" and instead is suggesting that what seems 'objectively correct' will continue to shift over time? (But who is claiming our current outlook is objectively correct?)

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Bah. out of time. will have to continue later.


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« Reply #160 on: December 27, 2015, 01:11:03 PM »
"Hitler wouldn't have thought of that. Stalin didn't even think of that, and he thought about these things a lot."

Wow, check out the segment of this documentary starting at 25:25 where Christopher Hitchens describes the events seen in the video footage of the political purge that occurred the day Saddam Hussein came to power in Iraq:


https://vimeo.com/94776807

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« Reply #161 on: December 28, 2015, 05:16:17 AM »
"Hitler wouldn't have thought of that..."

I don't totally agree with the sentiment he was attempting to express, that Hussein might've been MORE sadistic and evil than Hitler. Saddam Hussein had basically already been the top leader in Iraq a few years before this Ba'ath purge happened in 1979. The method he used during this purge was more likely born out of necessity than sheer sadistic predisposition.

Hitler and the top tier of the Nazi party had been compiling a list of folks they wanted to see eliminated years before the infamous Rohm Putsch happened. In that case, it was still somewhat of an internal party matter, but those who were to be liquidated were not only clearly opposed to Hitler, but their positions within the party and German government were replaceable.

I don't think the same could be said about the entire Ba'ath party in Iraq. The ones who were selected for trial and execution were either clearly opposed to his leadership over the party or at least might have been. The rest either already agreed with what he had already been doing, or were too valuable in the jobs they handled to be replaced. Having the remaining members of the party commit murder to forever implicate them in the same crime and bind them closer to the new regime was no more or less effective than coordinating the murders of a hundred or more political enemies and then telling everyone about it.

Not saying either political purge didn't have some foundation in the sadistic tendencies of their authors, but to "rank" one above the other is a little vain. In such things, there is only right and wrong. Both are clearly on the WRONG side of the line and both clearly use murder as a means to achieve the outcome. The nuance of "how" is irrelevant in my opinion.

Good video though, watched the whole thing. Never been a huge Cristopher Hitchens fan, but I always liked his decidedly British smartassed dry sense of humor he'd piss out upon his debate opponents.
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« Reply #162 on: January 01, 2016, 05:13:42 PM »
http://john.soupwhale.com/?p=127

It's long, but read this(the secondary, way longer post that's really not even a reply to the 2nd) and tell me what your take on it is.

  [...]

Bah. out of time. will have to continue later.

Was just reading some responses to this year's "Edge" question ( http://edge.org/contributors/what-do-you-consider-the-most-interesting-recent-scientific-news-what-makes-it ) and Steven Pinker's response entitled Human Progress Quantified seemed rather relevant to the 'soupwhale' post/reply above.

A few excerpts...

Quote from: Steven Pinker
Human intuition is a notoriously poor guide to reality. A half-century of psychological research has shown that when people try to assess risks or predict the future, their heads are turned by stereotypes, memorable events, vivid scenarios, and moralistic narratives.

Fortunately, as the bugs in human cognition have become common knowledge, the workaround—objective data—has become more prevalent, and in many spheres of life, observers are replacing gut feelings with quantitative analysis.

[...] This is interesting news, and it’s scientific news because the diagnosis comes from cognitive science and the cure from data science. But the most interesting news is that the quantification of life has been extended to the biggest question of all: Have we made progress? Have the collective strivings of the human race against entropy and the nastier edges of evolution succeeded in improving the human condition?

[...] Today it’s common to read about a "faith" in progress (often a "naïve" faith), which is set against a nostalgia for a better past, an assessment of present decline, and a dread for a dystopia to come.

But the cognitive and data revolutions warn us not to base our assessment of anything on subjective impressions or cherry-picked incidents. As long as bad things haven’t vanished altogether, there will always be enough to fill the news, and people will intuit that the world is falling apart. The only way to circumvent this illusion is to plot the incidence of good and bad things over time. Most people agree that life is better than death, health better than disease, prosperity better than poverty, knowledge better than ignorance, peace better than war, safety better than violence, freedom better than coercion. That gives us a set of yardsticks by which we can measure whether progress has actually occurred.

[...] People are living longer and healthier lives, not just in the developed world but globally. A dozen infectious and parasitic diseases are extinct or moribund. Vastly more children are going to school and learning to read. Extreme poverty has fallen worldwide from 85 to 10 percent. Despite local setbacks, the world is more democratic than ever. Women are better educated, marrying later, earning more, and in more positions of power and influence. Racial prejudice and hate crimes have decreased since data were first recorded. The world is even getting smarter: In every country, IQ has been increasing by three points a decade.

Of course, quantified progress consists of a set of empirical findings; it is not a sign of some mystical ascent or utopian trajectory or divine grace. And so we should expect to find some spheres of life that have remained the same, gotten worse, or are altogether unquantifiable (such as the endless number of apocalypses that may be conjured in the imagination). Greenhouse gases accumulate, fresh water diminishes, species go extinct, nuclear arsenals remain.

[...] What makes all this important? Foremost, quantified progress is a feedback signal for adjusting what we have been doing. The gifts of progress we have enjoyed are the result of institutions and norms that have become entrenched in the last two centuries: reason, science, technology, education, expertise, democracy, regulated markets, and a moral commitment to human rights and human flourishing. As counter-Enlightenment critics have long pointed out, there is no guarantee that these developments would make us better off. Yet now we know that in fact they have left us better off. This means that for all the ways in which the world today falls short of utopia, the norms and institutions of modernity have put us on a good track. We should work on improving them further [...]

Also, quantified human progress emboldens us to seek more of it. A common belief among activists is that any optimistic datum must be suppressed lest it lull people into complacency. [...] The empowering feature of a graph is that it invites one to identify the forces that are pushing a curve up or down, and then to apply them to push it further in the same direction.

~~ Full article: http://edge.org/response-detail/26616

So the bit I've highlighted above expresses what seems to me an interesting counter to the sort of fatalistic attitude expressed on the 'soupwhale' comment.


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« Reply #163 on: January 13, 2016, 02:53:23 PM »
Al Jazeera America to shut down in April
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