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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #1185 on: April 02, 2020, 07:48:00 PM »
Jesus Christ, who cares if he gloats as long as it works.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/beijings-coronavirus-lies-have-badly-deepened-global-suffering/

People need to stop hating on trump and unite on China's role in this pandemic.
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« Reply #1186 on: April 03, 2020, 05:54:16 AM »
Jesus Christ, who cares if he gloats as long as it works.

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« Reply #1187 on: April 03, 2020, 06:55:39 AM »
I am on a 3 night streak of watching Tucker Carlson , lol. He reports on crap before others do. I never paid the guy any attention, but it's the best MAIN STREAM media I've watched in awhile. When compared to other main stream it stands out to me, at least. I'm just surprised I'm only discovering this now I guess. Last night it was his broadcast with Florida's emergency management director that triggered trump to put 3m on blast on Twitter. Now, today's discussion is this: is it 3m's fault for not putting America first? Or Trump's fault for not using that act to ensure 3m distributed within the US as the highest priority?


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« Reply #1188 on: April 03, 2020, 08:03:52 AM »
Quote from: FDA
It is reasonable to believe that chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be effective in treating COVID-19.

That doesn't sound like a particularly strong endorsement to me. Sounds like typical Trump speak, honestly ("this could be a game changer, and it might not be"). Makes me wonder if the White House put pressure on the FDA behind the scenes to pass that. The EU hasn't made the same decision and is waiting for clinical trials. Yes, it's a form of, but where did the guy get the idea? I concede you can't blame his (or his wife's) stupidity on Trump, but if Trump wasn't touting it (wasn't it Trump that brought it up, not Fauci, Birx, etc.?), that wouldn't have happened.

I concede you can't blame his (or his wife's) stupidity on Trump, but if Trump wasn't touting it (wasn't it Trump that brought it up, not Fauci, Birx, etc.?), that wouldn't have happened.  :dohdohdoh:
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« Reply #1189 on: April 03, 2020, 06:47:48 PM »
And look at that silly video in that tweet you shared, complete with the patriotic imagery, inspirational/emotional music score behind it - give me a break.

OK, you're half way there.

There was cognition that interpreted that clip as a "silly video" and produced the emotional response "give me a break."

Call that up again. I agree it's a reasonable response to that sort of production.

Now turn that attention to the Pakman video - will similar alarm bells go up?



P.S. what's wrong with patriotic imagery? Why do you hate America. ;)


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Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« Reply #1190 on: April 05, 2020, 05:52:23 PM »

https://twitter.com/USPoliticsPoll/status/1246264747118530562

Looking rough for Biden - but heck, might vote for this guy myself. ;)



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« Reply #1191 on: April 05, 2020, 06:16:08 PM »
There is a HUGE difference between chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate and if Trump can’t explain that difference he is not qualified to talk on the subject. You can kill yourself with both. If you don’t know the difference yourself then you are not qualified to prescribe it for anyone but if you want to take Trump’s advice and “do what you want” then by all means, kill yourself. MAGA.

I won’t weep for you.
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« Reply #1192 on: April 05, 2020, 07:18:03 PM »
My wife's best friend takes hydroxychloroquine for Lupus. The recommended dose is typically < or = to 6.5mg per kg body weight, and trials are typically giving patients 200mg twice daily or every 8 hours. People that take this drug go in for routine eye exams to check their retinas out, but issues are uncommon. I think the valid concern is more so it's interaction with taking zpak alongside it and not so much hydroxychloroquine.

It seems to be producing results in both Wuhan and NY for both recovery time and making it so patient's conditions don't worsen. If you were to become infected with covid-19 I'd at least consider taking the appropriate dosage. It's tough to chant Orange man bad while intubated.
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« Reply #1193 on: April 05, 2020, 07:55:15 PM »
There is a HUGE difference between chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate

Interestingly this was published on March 18, just one day before Trump's press conference:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0

Quote from: Liu, J., Cao, R., Xu, M. et al. Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro. Cell Discov 6, 16 (2020)
We have recently reported that two drugs, remdesivir (GS-5734) and chloroquine (CQ) phosphate, efficiently inhibited SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro1. Remdesivir is a nucleoside analog prodrug developed by Gilead Sciences (USA). A recent case report showed that treatment with remdesivir improved the clinical condition of the first patient infected by SARS-CoV-2 in the United States2, and a phase III clinical trial of remdesivir against SARS-CoV-2 was launched in Wuhan on February 4, 2020. However, as an experimental drug, remdesivir is not expected to be largely available for treating a very large number of patients in a timely manner. Therefore, of the two potential drugs, CQ appears to be the drug of choice for large-scale use due to its availability, proven safety record, and a relatively low cost.
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CQ (N4-(7-Chloro-4-quinolinyl)-N1,N1-diethyl-1,4-pentanediamine) has long been used to treat malaria and amebiasis. However, Plasmodium falciparum developed widespread resistance to it, and with the development of new antimalarials, it has become a choice for the prophylaxis of malaria. In addition, an overdose of CQ can cause acute poisoning and death3. In the past years, due to infrequent utilization of CQ in clinical practice, its production and market supply was greatly reduced, at least in China. Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) sulfate, a derivative of CQ, was first synthesized in 1946 by introducing a hydroxyl group into CQ and was demonstrated to be much less (~40%) toxic than CQ in animals4. More importantly, HCQ is still widely available to treat autoimmune diseases, such as systemic lupus erythematosus and rheumatoid arthritis. Since CQ and HCQ share similar chemical structures and mechanisms of acting as a weak base and immunomodulator, it is easy to conjure up the idea that HCQ may be a potent candidate to treat infection by SARS-CoV-2. Actually, as of February 23, 2020, seven clinical trial registries were found in Chinese Clinical Trial Registry (http://www.chictr.org.cn) for using HCQ to treat COVID-19. Whether HCQ is as efficacious as CQ in treating SARS-CoV-2 infection still lacks the experimental evidence.

To this end, we evaluated the antiviral effect of HCQ against SARS-CoV-2 infection in comparison to CQ in vitro.

(Not sure how long it may have been on Trump's radar before that. I'd been seeing rumblings about its use since sometime in February, I believe.)


and if Trump can’t explain that difference he is not qualified to talk on the subject. You can kill yourself with both. If you don’t know the difference yourself then you are not qualified to prescribe it for anyone but if you want to take Trump’s advice and “do what you want” then by all means, kill yourself. MAGA.

OK, but in Trump's March 19 press conference, he stated (twice) that the drug would be made available by prescription, and that "doctors will handle it."

So it seems inaccurate to characterize his advice as "do what you want."

That said, a few sentences earlier in his rambling, Trump had communicated very poorly the idea that the drug could be safely prescribed in a SARS-CoV-2 context since its risks were already understood:

"But it is known as a malaria drug, and it’s been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody. When you go with a brand-new drug, you don’t know that that’s going to happen."

I think what he's saying can be understood in context - but I'd agree it's irresponsibly poorly phrased.
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« Reply #1194 on: April 07, 2020, 07:00:26 PM »
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« Reply #1195 on: April 07, 2020, 07:35:49 PM »
Go to 18:00 for an anecdotal story about hydroxychloroquine



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« Reply #1197 on: April 08, 2020, 11:02:50 AM »
Quote from: Mark Dice - Twitter
Please tell me this is photoshopped!

Well no wonder they kept telling us masks don't work.

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« Reply #1198 on: April 08, 2020, 03:43:40 PM »
Quote from: Mark Dice - Twitter
Please tell me this is photoshopped!

Well no wonder they kept telling us masks don't work.


https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffgloe/status/1247383381278633987

The clip in that reply is the only video I see of it. Schumer walked up to the podium like that, lol.
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« Reply #1199 on: April 08, 2020, 05:04:48 PM »
And THAT is the perfect summary of why April 30th is going to come and we definitely won't be "flattening the curve" at that point. Unconscientious laziness and apathy. Reminds me of the time [EoM]Skillz wanted to show off his winning scoreboard screenshots, but forgot to turn off his fucking wallhack before taking the picture. ::)
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