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Revisionist History
« on: May 02, 2013, 02:10:29 AM »
The South lost the Civil War. I get it. Slavery was horrible. I get it. People who don't get these things are obviously idiots.

But as a white Southerner living in the State of Georgia, I'm growing increasingly annoyed and alarmed with how certain people are able to sway official policy and public sentiment based on what they personally find to be offensive without any consideration for the other side of the argument.

A little history... In 1865 after the American Civil War had come to an end, former members of the Confederate Army formed the Ku Klux Klan, a secretive insurgent militia formed to combat the injustices and oppression that Southerners had been dealing with at the hands of what they perceived as Union occupational forces during the reconstruction years after the war. The insurgency lacked the organization and support that it needed to be successful against the Union, and in 1874 it was forced to disband, although several other smaller paramilitary groups did form in it's wake.

In 1915, the Ku Klux Klan was officially reborn, although with a much different agenda. During this period in history, people were growing increasingly paranoid about Communism infecting the United States government, as well as several other "evils" including Catholicism, an increasing number of immigrants with anti-American sentiments, jews, and wide-spread alcohol abuse. Indeed the Ku Klux Klan was a big supporter of prohibition efforts at that time. And the location where this 2nd incarnation of the Klan took place was at Stone Mountain, GA, located about 15 miles NE of Atlanta.

Prior to 1915, the United Daughters of the Confederacy had been raising money to pay for a large memorial to Confederate veterans and selected Stone Mountain as the primary site for this. The United Daughters of the Confederacy IS NOT and HAS NEVER BEEN part of the Ku Klux Klan. It was a sisterhood/organization of daughters, wives, and widows of Confederate veterans with several goals including working to preserve the memory of Confederate veterans and the material history of the Civil War, helping survivors of the Civil War, preserving the legacy of southern women who played integral roles during and after the Civil War, etc. They still exist today.

The carving of the now famous memorial on the face of Stone Mountain was finally begun in 1916 financed solely by the United Daughters of the Confederacy. It was a HUGE project, a very dangerous and slow moving one, and the commissioned sculptors abandoned work on the unfinished project in 1928.

In 1956, spurred by conflicts rising from the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, the Georgia State flag was changed...

It is quite obvious WHY the State flag was changed. There is little one can argue to claim that it was NOT racially motivated.

Since the re-founding of the Klan in 1915, the owners of the property (the Venable family) containing Stone Mountain itself had granted easement rights to the Klan to use the land as a site for rallies, celebrations, etc. In 1958, the State of Georgia purchased the land from the Venable family, and immediately denied the Klan from using the land further by voiding the easement. I think this paints a pretty vivid picture of the political climate in the State at the time. On one hand they are changing the state flag to contain the Confederate stars and bars, and on the other hand they are working to evict the Ku Klux Klan by buying the land for more than 1 million dollars, which was a HUGE amount of money back in 1958.

In 1964, the State of Georgia finally financed work for the completion of the memorial carving. It was officially completed in 1972.


In 2001, after several years of lobbying by certain groups, the state flag was finally changed to remove the Confederate stars and bars. Many people protested the change at the time, including myself. But in retrospect, it was obviously the right thing to do. Seeing as how the purpose for including the Confederate flag in 1956 was NOT to honor Confederate veterans but to claim opposition to Civil Rights Movement efforts, it's not an honorable way to display it given that history of it's introduction to the state flag, and it should've been removed.

Fast forward to 2013 now...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/petition-remove-stone-carving-confederacy-stirs-debate-151726274.html

THIS is an OUTRAGE. A handful of people who are obviously completely uneducated as to the purpose of this monument are seeking to destroy this carving that literally took more than a lifetime to complete. This is HIGHLY alarming. So far, not many people have signed the petition. But I'm afraid that further media exposure which omits important facts about it will further support this effort to erase a part of state and national history. What alarms me even more is that if this campaign is ever successful, it will set a precedent by which OTHER Civil War memorials may be destroyed or removed. I live not too far from a little town known as Jefferson where in the town square there stands a smaller memorial to Civil War veterans. If certain uneducated people think the Stone Mountain monument is nothing but a symbol of racism, they will certainly believe that every other monument is no different.
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Re: Revisionist History
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 03:31:31 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/petition-remove-stone-carving-confederacy-stirs-debate-151726274.html

THIS is an OUTRAGE. A handful of people who are obviously completely uneducated as to the purpose of this monument are seeking to destroy this carving that literally took more than a lifetime to complete.


Couldn't help being reminded of:

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Re: Revisionist History
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 12:02:16 PM »
What in the hell is that? :purpleshock:

Also, supposedly Stone Mountain is the largest bas relief carving in the world. But... that looked pretty much like a relief carving to me, and an AWFULLY big one at that.

As you saw in that video, it took one hell of a big bang to bring that shit down. Let's say these idiots petitioning to remove the Confederate memorial were successful in their efforts. If Stone Mountain is larger than that huge Buddha carving, it stands to reason that and even BIGGER bang would be needed to blast it away. Sounds simple enough. But you gotta remember that this is a mere 15 or 16 miles from Atlanta. Obviously the surrounding areas are very populated. Such a blast would likely cause property damage for several miles. There are buildings located on the summit of the small mountain including an aging cable car station, as well as buildings at the base. Some very OLD and very historically significant buildings. These would all likely suffer structural damage from such a blast. It seems like removing the carving by hand would be the only viable option. That means MONEY, lots and lots of it. And even more money on top of that to re-carve something new in its place. The state taxpayers would obviously have to foot the bill, and at a time when money is so scarce that many city governments are struggling to stay afloat.

The whole thing just makes no sense no matter how you look at it.
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Re: Revisionist History
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 12:13:36 PM »
What in the hell is that?

It's from Afghanistan in March, 2001, when the Taliban blew up the 1400 year old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan in a fit of religious douchebaggery.

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Re: Revisionist History
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 12:37:40 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan

Statues of Budda destroyed by the Taliban,for much the same reason...to be DICKS. Considering that these carvings are "2 football fields wide",I must imagine "removing" means destroying it,and I am totally against that. Better to set up something permenent and educational at the base of them to inform the public who they were and what they did,and what they were ultimately fighting FOR. I'm sure they played the game of War with skill and honour,and for that alone they should be remembered and studied,but those who claim these works of art are racist, should remember that to destroy history is a disservice to everyone ultimately.

Pity the powers that Be want us ignorant...

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 07:22:58 PM »
I do not understand why people are holding on to events that happened 100-150 years ago, to people and by people who have been dead for years.   Did bad things occur, definitely, but no one living today is responsible for the events that happened back then.
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Re: Revisionist History
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 02:33:57 AM »
Considering that these carvings are "2 football fields wide",I must imagine "removing" means destroying it,and I am totally against that. Better to set up something permenent and educational at the base of them to inform the public who they were and what they did,and what they were ultimately fighting FOR. I'm sure they played the game of War with skill and honour,and for that alone they should be remembered and studied,but those who claim these works of art are racist, should remember that to destroy history is a disservice to everyone ultimately.

From left to right, the people depicted in that carving are:
Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America
General Robert E. Lee, CSA
General "Stonewall" Jackson, CSA

It's been a long time since I've been to Stone Mountain Park, but I know that they do have a few Civil War centered exhibits inside the park. There is a locomotive that goes around the base of the mountain which I think is actually an old steam locomotive converted to run on diesel while the smoke stack spews wood or coal smoke for purely aesthetic effect. During this train ride, they give a short recorded history lesson over the onboard PA's that tell about the carving as well as several other historical facts about the area.

And indeed, the 3 figures depicted in the carving are very important historical figures, especially Generals Robert E. Lee and "Stonewall" Jackson. It is widely known that both Robert E. Lee and "Stonewall" Jackson had conflicted personal feelings about the war which are evidenced in their personal diaries and official military correspondence letters. Even today at places like West Point Academy, people study the tactics used by General Lee and General Jackson and they are both revered as highly intelligent and capable commanders even though they fought as Rebels. Neither one of them were proclaimed outspoken racists, which is also evidenced by their own writings. I suppose they found it rather difficult to claim that one man is intrinsically better than another when all of them are made of flesh and blood that will rip apart in gruesome ways when met with cannonball frags, and they certainly got to see plenty of carnage and blood while in command. In fact from what I've ever read about them, they both HATED the war and wanted to see an end to it as soon as possible, but they were also honorable men with a sense of duty and loyalty, and because of that they continued to fight until the inevitable moment of their surrender to the Union.
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