How the fuck do things end up like this?

[VaeVictis]

http://tastyspleen.net/quake/stats/frags/tourney-120801.txt


what?

i hardly play... like only after 9 or 10 and only every few days

THAT SHOULD NOT BE ENOUGH TO REACH THE HIGH FRAG COUNT -.-

we really REALLY need some casual and frequent tourney event thats noob friendly (tiered or something)

[VaeVictis]

some advertising around for said event would be cool too.... and maybe a placement match vs one of the smarter duel players so they could place new players into one of 3 tiers

[VaeVictis]

maybe 2v2 or 1v1.... or both?

spread over a week or a one day event?

should we mess with a variety of maps or stick with q2 classics to get the nostalgic factor?

if ely keeps working on his q2 starter it will help a ton maybe get some community effort in for basic map break downs that newer players could go check out before hopping in...

[VaeVictis]

and i still think a reverse edge league would be funny for the players who play edge all the time... and some ra2 players might even like that

[|iR|Focalor]

Have some more coffee already.

[adz1La]

placement matches? lol

[VaeVictis]

placement matches? lol

whats worng with that?

existing players yeah okay you can fit them into areas... but if its some old schooler that shows up that no one really knows, or some ql player.... it would be useful to have them duel some one to see "okay you yeah go with the uber noobs" or "yeah, you could probably fit in with the average crowd"

[adz1La]

no one wants to play breh, get over it

[haunted]

he could probably make the tastyspleen B team for euroq2l

[|iR|Focalor]

So let's categorize everyone by skill level into tiers that many of them will probably disagree with. Yeah, I see this as a friendly, drama-free, argument-free undertaking.

Maybe it sounds good in theory, but in reality, that's what it will lead to. Just another big argument, people will get their feelings hurt or will claim to have been cheated by a botched ranking system they had no part in deciding.

I think these days, with the teeny tiny pool of available and willing players, it would be best just to randomly draw names out of a hat and pair up opponents. Otherwise it's probably gonna... just like I said, become a stupid argument where people get all offended and then drop out of future tourneys and it'll all end quicker than it started.

If you want any kind of event for q2 to LAST, it's gonna take a lot of dedicated effort and thought to prevent as much of the negative shit from taking place as possible to give it the best chance of lasting as long as it possibly can. And even then, it'll probably still be doomed to flicker out and die in a month or two. Any type of q2 event gets harder and harder to get people into with each passing year. I dunno the exact stats, but I'd be willing to bet that the servers get 1/3rd of the traffic that they got 3 years ago. Too many people are leaving, and no one new is showing up. Makes me wonder how much longer quadz is gonna be willing to pay all that money he does to keep the doors open when barely anyone plays anymore. A few years ago, vanilla was literally ALWAYS busy. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, there was ALWAYS at least 4 or 5 people screwing around on there, even in the wee hours of the morning when most normal people are in bed. It sits empty quite often these days, even during daylight hours.

[VaeVictis]

that is kind of the idea

get NEW players in and bring back some old ones

the tier ranked system could be tweaked over time, not like it would be a cash prize thing... if it was frequent like i said it could be like "oh you did better than we expected with the bottom tier of players, we will bump you up next time so they can have more fun games"

and really, the goal would just be no blow outs... yeah some one is going to be best in each tier and might need to be moved up eventually, but as long as they arent going 20-0 vs everyone they can all still have fun

and thats really just for 1v1... a 2v2 event would be awesome randomly assigned teams for EVERYONE, some people would bitch but they would still probably play... and if they don't, they can play next time with a different team mate

the whole thing is that it would be a kind of casual thing to hop into and frequent enough to keep people interested but not too frequent that people get bored... think one of the things that helped with koth bringing in some new players though was that it had jehar leading it and hes just a friendly guy who can sell you on q2 for some fun every now and then :/ but he decided to abandon q2 so... idk how to kick something like this up.... just an idea, im not the person that should lead something like that

[Whirlingdervish]

don't really care about your not very sneaky attempt to highlight your stats, but while I was looking I noticed one hilarious thing

"most bfg frags: welk(2)"

Apparently nobody from north america plays duel on dm2 with bfg either.

BUT THEY VOTED FOR IT!!! HERP DERP!

[Barton]

You have to remember too that the majority of matches happen on tourney4 which doesn't save stats into the tourney server stats.

[haunted]

it actually only registers texas servers even, I think.

[haunted]

and vae, if you want to help the competitive q2 community...

maybe you shouldn't act like a little prick to everyone that's worse from you, and not be so desperate for approval from those who are better than you. no one is going to entertain any of your ideas with how much of a flamer you are, no offense.

however, barton talked with me and he wants to spread the word out about a weekly organized 4v4 on a sunday or monday evening. team captains most of the time if I had to guess, and maybe some euroq2l practice for those participating.