Your thougts on Illuminati/New World Order

[fdrjk]

Just because somebody doesn't give a shit about what you claim to be some world government conspiracy doesn't mean they're ignorant; if anything, that makes YOU ignorant. You keep whining and complaining about the "NWO", and yet I doubt you've convinced a single person otherwise about this imaginary cult you keep trying to "spread the word" about.
Take some fucking medication and move the Brazil or something.

[ex]

Ok, first off, Krill you have good spirit, but it's a little too much.  You forget the "Oligarchy" needs the population to be there to help run things for them, otherwise there's no more fun and games for them to have.

As for you Fader, not believing the Oligarchy exists is also foolhardy as well.  It's definitely there, just very well hidden.

The "Oligarchy" in itself really isn't a world government, but just a bunch of super-rich people buying and selling large things (usually pieces of nations) back and forth.  The Vatican is part of this upper-level system, as well as other money-rich entities.  Personally, they could care less about the people below them, except for the part of if they were all suddenly gone, then yeah, they'd have a problem.  No more societies = no more people to profit off of and control = no more money.

So yes, the Oligarchy itself IS real, but they need the population to survive.  Otherwise, they have to go back to the day of how it used to be before society...you know, living an average life of 23 years old, huddled in caves, starving, catching diseases, dying, you know, the fun caveman existence.


I will say one thing though.  If the whole conspiracy theory thing about the Georgia Guidestones is true, I wouldn't mind seeing it fulfilled.  Honestly would lighten the load on the Earth, that's for sure:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Yes, believe it or not, I am saying that 95% of the population should be exterminated.  That's simply because after a certain point of over-populating the world, we'll exterminate ourselves by running out of food and places to live.  I don't want to die, just like everyone else doesn't...but I can't honestly say that it would be a bad thing if most of us were gone.

[fdrjk]

As for you Fader, not believing the Oligarchy exists is also foolhardy as well.  It's definitely there, just very well hidden.

Oh, I'm so sorry I don't believe in "The" oligarchy. If you honestly feel like three or four people make every single decision in the United States, you are retarded. Plain and simple.

Yes, believe it or not, I am saying that 95% of the population should be exterminated.
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I don't want to die, just like everyone else doesn't...but I can't honestly say that it would be a bad thing if most of us were gone.

Yes, because what bad could come out of massive genocide? I guess that means Hitler had the right idea after all.

[ex]

No, it's not three or four people.  It's different families really, with a shitload of money.  It's money on a scale that doesn't even make sense.  It's the monetary ability to buy and sell large chunks of land, and whatever is on it, to make more money on a grand scale.  This doesn't just happen in the U.S. either, this happens all over the world.  It happens on such a large scale, in fact, that no one on our level, including the President of the U.S., truly knows about how powerful it really is.  But they do that to benefit themselves as well.  They're not going to do too much to disrupt society as it stands, because as I said, once we're all gone, there's no more money game to play.

So sorry, but you are wrong on this issue.  I have researched this topic extensively, you simply need to as well.


And as far as the whole extermination thing goes, Hitler was an idiot.  He wanted one single race left.  I'm not advocating that, but I am advocating a culling of the herd if you will, for the betterment and survival of the species.  Call it insanity, call it eugenics, call it whatever you want...but when you look at it from a purely scientific view of population vs. food supply and space, you simply cannot call it wrong.   

[fdrjk]

I think you need

[quadz]

It happens on such a large scale, in fact, that no one on our level, including the President of the U.S., truly knows about how powerful it really is. [...] I have researched this topic extensively, you simply need to as well.

I imagine that's part of the appeal of a good conspiracy theory: I've learned things on the internet that even the President doesn't know.

[Whirlingdervish]

massive dieback of predator populations is common when their breeding and predation exceeds the limits that their prey species can accomodate in terms of population numbers and genetic diversity.

say a pack of wolves grows too large for it's range and eats most of the bunnies and deer and squirrels around.. as the other species suffer setbacks in population number, so does the pack of wolves due to starvation. eventually, an equilibrium can be reached where the pack is small enough again to let prey numbers increase in their environment.

I mention this because it can be directly applied to humans and the resources they need to survive.

this is the angle ex is probably approaching from when he says that there are way too many people on this planet at the moment.

there are some things that should give us hope, like our ability to use tools and technology to overcome diversity while the wolves can only count on the equilizing aspects of nature, but at some level even those will not help us if we have too many mouths to feed and/or we don't make feeding all of those mouths a high enough priority

[Krlll Mule]

Just because somebody doesn't give a shit about what you claim to be some world government conspiracy doesn't mean they're ignorant; if anything, that makes YOU ignorant. You keep whining and complaining about the "NWO", and yet I doubt you've convinced a single person otherwise about this imaginary cult you keep trying to "spread the word" about.
Take some fucking medication and move the Brazil or something.

First underlined words express much. Fader, at 17, maybe you should not "give a shit". You have a life to live; live it. The second underline is just what I predicted you would say.  Moving to Brazil....well that caught me by surprise.  It's a worldwide government, so what good would that do? My intention was not to get in a flame war over this. I shouldn't have used the word ignorant, I guess. My sons don't appreciate it either, and they both are older than you. After re-reading the whole post, I saw some good points you made.  And that photo of Glenn Beck was classic. By the way, I can't stand that weasel. CIA plant. 

Ok, first off, Krill you have good spirit, but it's a little too much.  You forget the "Oligarchy" needs the population to be there to help run things for them, otherwise there's no more fun and games for them to have.

As for you Fader, not believing the Oligarchy exists is also foolhardy as well.  It's definitely there, just very well hidden.

The "Oligarchy" in itself really isn't a world government, but just a bunch of super-rich people buying and selling large things (usually pieces of nations) back and forth.  The Vatican is part of this upper-level system, as well as other money-rich entities.  Personally, they could care less about the people below them, except for the part of if they were all suddenly gone, then yeah, they'd have a problem.  No more societies = no more people to profit off of and control = no more money.

So yes, the Oligarchy itself IS real, but they need the population to survive.  Otherwise, they have to go back to the day of how it used to be before society...you know, living an average life of 23 years old, huddled in caves, starving, catching diseases, dying, you know, the fun caveman existence.


I will say one thing though.  If the whole conspiracy theory thing about the Georgia Guidestones is true, I wouldn't mind seeing it fulfilled.  Honestly would lighten the load on the Earth, that's for sure:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Yes, believe it or not, I am saying that 95% of the population should be exterminated.  That's simply because after a certain point of over-populating the world, we'll exterminate ourselves by running out of food and places to live.  I don't want to die, just like everyone else doesn't...but I can't honestly say that it would be a bad thing if most of us were gone.

ex, you agree with my best friend...why kill this cash cow when you can keep milking it to death? I think it's a valid point.
As for being a little too much...it is for this forum.  I simply replied to posts on the subject (which I did not start). But I see the best thing is to let it go and enjoy the rest of the subjects. "A wink is as good as a nod to a blind mule".

It happens on such a large scale, in fact, that no one on our level, including the President of the U.S., truly knows about how powerful it really is. [...] I have researched this topic extensively, you simply need to as well.

I imagine that's part of the appeal of a good conspiracy theory: I've learned things on the internet that even the President doesn't know.

You are so cryptic/sarcastic in your replies, I don't know what the heck you think. Most of my research comes from books, reading documents (sometimes years ago, in the library  ), and listening to quotes from various "news" sources...really got to turn the B.S. meter up for that. Believe none of what you hear, half of what you see and one quarter of what you read on the internet....more or less.   

[ex]

massive dieback of predator populations is common when their breeding and predation exceeds the limits that their prey species can accomodate in terms of population numbers and genetic diversity.

say a pack of wolves grows too large for it's range and eats most of the bunnies and deer and squirrels around.. as the other species suffer setbacks in population number, so does the pack of wolves due to starvation. eventually, an equilibrium can be reached where the pack is small enough again to let prey numbers increase in their environment.

I mention this because it can be directly applied to humans and the resources they need to survive.

this is the angle ex is probably approaching from when he says that there are way too many people on this planet at the moment.

there are some things that should give us hope, like our ability to use tools and technology to overcome diversity while the wolves can only count on the equilizing aspects of nature, but at some level even those will not help us if we have too many mouths to feed and/or we don't make feeding all of those mouths a high enough priority

Bingo.  This is exactly what I meant.  I know it sucks, but eventually we WILL reach this planet's maximum ability to support our species, and mass starvation will ensue unless measures are taken before that happens.  It's sad, but we are an uncontrolled over-breeding species, and we're gonna wipe ourselves out by over-population long before any other cause, more than likely.

And btw quadz, I knew about the Oligarchy long before I was on the internet.  Just so you know. 

[|iR|Focalor]

I can see the attractiveness in believing in conspiracy theories. It's like religion. The ones "in the know" have felt oppressed and small their whole lives, and such a belief that they are enlightened allows them to now somehow feel superior to everyone else. Maybe I'd be more inclined to put any stock in it at all if these people would busy themselves with telling me a plan of action to stop this great evil rather than ranting at me about how stupid I obviously am for not subscribing to same "religion" that they believe in. Because anyone can point a finger and say "There's the enemy.", but almost no one ever points and says "There is the enemy, and HERE is how we will overcome them." Any soldier or pawn can point to the enemy. I don't see how merely pointing to the enemy somehow advances you past the role of being yet another "sheeple" in the herd. Political activism is not much of a plan of action anymore. All it is is just a BUNCH of people all pointing fingers.

All I can say is that I'd much rather have a bunch of people pointing fingers at me than loaded guns. War is the greatest and most powerful diplomat of all. I'm sure the men who risked their very lives by signing their own death warrants when they signed the Declaration of Independence knew this all too well, which is PRECISELY why they included the rights to bear arms and have a well regulated militia. I'm also sure that it was the #2 amendment, second ONLY to freedom of religion, speech, press, the right to assemble, and most importantly, the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Because among men of honor, when spoken diplomacy does not work, then it's time to, as they say, "go to the mattresses".

I don't want to be labelled as some kind of anti-American insurgent that's advocating violence against the government. I'm as fucking American as they come. I don't think we're at any point close enough to warrant that type of action. But change takes time in our system because of how it's made. The last time it came down to bloodshed over our differences, it was still another 100 years before the change that war was supposedly all about came to 100% fruition. And if the Ku Klux Klan was the only real insurgency produced from such a conflict, then I'd say we've done a pretty damned good job at behaving ourselves and keeping our shit on the right path, especially considering just how completely fucking different we all are. It could have turned out SO MUCH worse, but it didn't. I think that says a great deal about our system and that it does work. Does that sound like something an un-American person would say? Just learn to have a little patience. Shit may be fucked up, and it may be fucked up for your entire lifetime, but sooner or later it WILL work itself out properly. And until it doesn't, just be watching and waiting with your gun ready. And if that time comes, have the courage to die for what you believe in rather than being just another impotent finger pointer.

[ex]

The solution is simple.  Full on anarchy.  Tearing apart the system that is here, and burning it to the ground.  The only problem with that is that a great number of the population would have to do this simultaneously, which never happens because people are too pussy-fied to fight for anything anymore, at least in the developed world.  We honestly think that things like voting or petitioning the government for change actually does something.  The changes we make are negligible when compared to the grand scheme of things.

Also, this would take convincing the "mindless drones" in the allied Armies across the globe to stand WITH their own people, instead of against them, in their fight against the banks, the churches, and the wealthy families that control 80% of the worth of the world, while being less than 1% of the population, mind you. 

And even if all of this succeeds and we wipe out the Oligarchy, which really is just a term nowadays related to the ones with the most money, what will be left is a smoldering pile of wasteland which the population will not know what to do with, which will ensure anarchy in its purest form.  Pretty much, it will go back to slaughter and kill-or-be-killed survivalism.

So pretty much, the solution is no solution, as we have domesticated ourselves into our own version of house pets.  I say we ride the roller coaster until it flies off the hinges and we all die.  Besides, as every scientist agrees, human beings won't be on Earth forever.  It's a mathematical-evolutionary-survivability impossibility. 

[ex]

And BTW, the Oligarchy is NOT a conspiracy theory, at least when viewed as people controlling the world's wealth.  It is a FACT that 80% of the world's wealth is controlled by less than 1% of the population, and it's getting worse day by day.

[|iR|Focalor]

And BTW, the Oligarchy is NOT a conspiracy theory, at least when viewed as people controlling the world's wealth.  It is a FACT that 80% of the world's wealth is controlled by less than 1% of the population, and it's getting worse day by day.

And 1% of the population is a lot easier to kill than 99%. You think "they" don't know this? They have systematically accumulated all that money for themselves, yet it somehow escapes them that 1<99? Like I said, shit takes TIME. When too much change happens in a small period of time, it usually indicates that something is VERY wrong. Dictatorships change shit overnight, and living under a dictatorship is not freedom and it is not going to benefit the people to their whole satisfaction. If you think America is so backwards and fucked up, perhaps you should try taking your chances somewhere else in the world. I daresay it's a risk you're not willing to take. And why? Maybe... because you know I'm right?

If you think anarchy is such a wonderful revolutionary plan of action, you need to look no further than the prison system to see how it works. It ain't even there. And when it is, it's some other asshole on the cell block taking YOUR shit from you, YOUR personal property. And even in a completely lawless society such as prison, there is an established order. The whites, blacks, mexicans, and the various gangs comprised of one race OR mixed races all have to use diplomacy in various ways to keep shit from turning into utter chaos.

Anarchy is not a system and it does not work. Anarchy is lack of a social structure, and it's reign is always temporary. We are animals that communicate with one another not much different than those that build colonies of dirt out in the middle of your backyard. Our instincts make us social creatures who cannot possibly exist without some sort of structure. Anarchy is not a structure, it is the absence of structure and merely a void, and only exists in transitional phases between times of structure. It is not a plan, it is the absence of a plan.

[ex]

Well as I said, there is no solution to the problem the world is in other than destruction.  Eventually it will go to that, whether it be violently or peacefully, a war or a whimper.

As it stands now, the 1% have a lot of militarized backing to protect themselves against the 99%.  The only way, as I previously stated, would be to get the armies on OUR side, which is hard because they've been sold out into protecting these money-grubbing shitheads who don't give a fuck whether they live or die, unless it costs them money.

Technically speaking though, the animal kingdom is pure anarchy in its rawest sense.  Sure, there's some order to the chaos, but when you get down to it and once everything unravels, it's dog-eat-dog and survival of the fittest.  That's how we became all Homo Sapiens in the first place.  If you know your human history, there were originally 23 variants of humans.  Throughout evolution and warring of the species, the sub-species variants got whittled down to the 1 master species we are now.  That's just how this kind of shit works.  And eventually, we'll whittle down this 1 species into nothingness.

The ONLY positive solution to the problem that we are as humans is to figure out ways to get off this planet before it gets that bad.  If we don't, we're doomed to a future of over-population, and eventual death due to that.  The first step would be to populate the Moon perhaps, or Mars.  I don't see a future here on Earth if our population exceeds 30 billion tbh.  I'm pretty sure all usable materials and livable land will be completely used up by then, using today's estimates.

[ImperiusDamian]

Besides, as every scientist agrees, human beings won't be on Earth forever.  It's a mathematical-evolutionary-survivability impossibility. 

It's true the Earth will only be able to support animal life for another 600 million years or so. But then, we're supposed to invent warp drive in about 50 years, right? LOL