SOPA

[reaper]

craigslist , wikipedia, and google particpating in protests against SOPA.  really takes this much for Congress not to do something useless and harmful?

[The Dreaming Dragon]

Oh this government will do what it wants,despite a billion voices protesting it. I can only hope Anonymous can put a monkeywrench into it somehow when it inevitably passes. Enjoy freedom while you have it,kids.

[reaper]

well I think it's somewhat of a stretch to say you lose your freedom (not that it doesn't hurt many many things).  say you posted a youtube video with a metallica song, or you put a video by mistake into a media server folder: bam years in jail : ).  Also various entities will be more prone to investigate things all the time, reading your requests, etc.

[fdrjk]

I can only hope Anonymous can put a monkeywrench into it somehow when it inevitably passes.

Eh? How can a bunch of script kiddies make an effective blow against passed legislature? Even after it passes?

 

craigslist , wikipedia, and google particpating in protests against SOPA.  really takes this much for Congress not to do something useless and harmful?

Well, the Motion Picture Association of America is on SOPA's side, just like how internet giants like Google and Yahoo and Wikipedia are against it. Sure, plenty of big corporations want the bill passed, but there are equally as many big corporations who want it killed.

well I think it's somewhat of a stretch to say you lose your freedom (not that it doesn't hurt many many things).  say you posted a youtube video with a metallica song, or you put a video by mistake into a media server folder: bam years in jail : ).  Also various entities will be more prone to investigate things all the time, reading your requests, etc.

Well, several supports of the bill SAID it's not a felony to do something like that, but would we be here if it wasn't for greed and corruption?

[reaper]

The bill would make unauthorized streaming of copyrighted content a crime, with a maximum penalty of five years in prison for ten such infringements within six months. The bill also gives immunity to Internet services that voluntarily take action against websites dedicated to infringement, while making liable for damages any copyright holder who knowingly misrepresents that a website is dedicated to infringement.[4]

so if you had a teamspeak type server, like a wowza streaming server to stream stuff to an ipad or laptop, and opened it up by mistake, or put the movie in the wrong share, you'd be streaming, and possible subject to this law.

[VaeVictis]

I can only hope Anonymous can put a monkeywrench into it somehow when it inevitably passes.

Eh? How can a bunch of script kiddies make an effective blow against passed legislature? Even after it passes?

 

craigslist , wikipedia, and google particpating in protests against SOPA.  really takes this much for Congress not to do something useless and harmful?

Well, the Motion Picture Association of America is on SOPA's side, just like how internet giants like Google and Yahoo and Wikipedia are against it. Sure, plenty of big corporations want the bill passed, but there are equally as many big corporations who want it killed.

well I think it's somewhat of a stretch to say you lose your freedom (not that it doesn't hurt many many things).  say you posted a youtube video with a metallica song, or you put a video by mistake into a media server folder: bam years in jail : ).  Also various entities will be more prone to investigate things all the time, reading your requests, etc.

Well, several supports of the bill SAID it's not a felony to do something like that, but would we be here if it wasn't for greed and corruption?

script kiddies? id expect some of the anonymous people to know what they are doing... plus, there is quite a lot of them, power in numbers any script kiddy can pull off a ddos with a voluntary botnet, and a ddos can be EXTREMELY crippling if done right... not to mention, they would have the computing power of their botnet for any more advanced purposes they wanted... i like anonymous but lately they have been disappointing me :/

all that is going to happen if this shit goes down, is what happened with china... you get an extremely censored internet, plus your ISP has more power itself... then people will just get more educated to regain their freedom and a digital anarchy starts... its really not in the governments best interest to do this, they highly under estimate what a bunch of pissed off people with computers are capable of

[fdrjk]

A DDoS isn't stopping congress from passing a bill.

[VaeVictis]

A DDoS isn't stopping congress from passing a bill.

yeah, but it could make them regret passing it if they do

[fdrjk]

Uhhhh.. no lol. No amount of "DDoS" will make the government "regret" doing something. If the entire company of google and wikipedia speak out against the bill, what makes you think the government 'fears' a few dumb script-kiddies who think they can solve all the worlds problems by hacking?

[VaeVictis]

Uhhhh.. no lol. No amount of "DDoS" will make the government "regret" doing something. If the entire company of google and wikipedia speak out against the bill, what makes you think the government 'fears' a few dumb script-kiddies who think they can solve all the worlds problems by hacking?

deny the government the networking services they need to function and they would definitely feel it

you must not understand how effective a ddos attack can really be...

[fdrjk]

Obviously you don't know that the government can EASILY dodge a few DDoS attacks.... lol. People get bored after a while and they all just stop after a day anyway.

Tell me, can you DDoS a bill out of existence? No? Then it can't do anything significant.

 

[VaeVictis]

Obviously you don't know that the government can EASILY dodge a few DDoS attacks.... lol. People get bored after a while and they all just stop after a day anyway.

Tell me, can you DDoS a bill out of existence? No? Then it can't do anything significant.

 

they are a relatively easy type of attack to avoid yeah... but can still be damaging

say a network that needs to have 100% up time for political reasons gets a good ddos for 12 hours... that network was effectively brought down by the lowest form of malicious attack for half a day, and that is quite a lot of time...

you really dont understand how effective a ddos can be just to squeeze a vice around people politicians arent computer science professionals, they hear hacker attack and assume they lost control of our nukes... they would freak out even from a 12 hour attack, which could easily be done by a group like anonymous

aside from that, the government isnt totally secure, skilled hackers could easily cause plenty of damage while the government was distracted by a much noisier attack

[fdrjk]

I'm sure politicians just sit around and fiddle around with a computer while the government's being hacked. They certainly don't, say, do the reasonable thing and get people who WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT to fix it for them.   

And what use would DDoS'ing bring anyway? If anything, it'll be BAD for the bill. All the people who support SOPA would be like "these are the kind of people that oppose this bill, the hackers who just try to DDoS their problems away". Pretty stupid.

[VaeVictis]

I'm sure politicians just sit around and fiddle around with a computer while the government's being hacked. They certainly don't, say, do the reasonable thing and get people who WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT to fix it for them.   

And what use would DDoS'ing bring anyway? If anything, it'll be BAD for the bill. All the people who support SOPA would be like "these are the kind of people that oppose this bill, the hackers who just try to DDoS their problems away". Pretty stupid.

ya know... im just done arguing with you :/ i dont know why i waste so much of my time trying to explain things to you...

[fdrjk]

 

Go hack some website already if you love it when people do it.