Sandusky Talks

[Sgt. Dick]

Jerry Sandusky did a interview today and here is a quote from him.

"I am innocent of those charges," the 67-year-old Sandusky said. "... I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact." 

Asked if there was anything he did do wrong, Sandusky said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

What a freak, I hope they hang him high if he has done half the stuff that is being claimed.

[peewee_RotA]

I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but I'm pretty ticked off at the typical "Guilty until proven innocent, but we still don't give a rats ass about you" attitude that colleges have.


How many people have lost their jobs over this and it hasn't even gone to trial?

[QwazyWabbit]

The thing to be ticked off about is that they had knowledge of a criminal act and did nothing. They covered it up and didn't report it to law enforcement for investigation. They were protecting the reputation of the coaches and the school over the protection of (alleged) victims. Now they pay the price for those decisions.

[The Happy Friar]

Most schools (public, private, grade to college) have the "guilty until proven innocent" mantra.  It's because of possible lawsuits.   They'd rather say "We canned someone because we THOUGHT they were a danger; to keep the kids safe" vs "We followed due process then found the person was worth terminating."  The opposite side of the spectrum is the USPS which won't go after you until they know you're guilty and then you're SOL.  The general public opinion is that's ok because it's for kids safety.  However, public opinion isn't really a good way to decide on how to enforce laws.  IE How many blacks were lynched in the past two hundred years just because they HAD to be guilty, the public said so.

EDIT: most of the time when this happens the person never gets their job back if they're innocent. 

[peewee_RotA]

most of the time when this happens the person never gets their job back if they're innocent. 

My point exactly. An indictment is not a conviction.

The thing to be ticked off about is that they had knowledge of a criminal act and did nothing. They covered it up and didn't report it to law enforcement for investigation. They were protecting the reputation of the coaches and the school over the protection of (alleged) victims. Now they pay the price for those decisions.

Allegedly. That's my point. And they didn't just fire 1 or 2 people. There's a whole host of people being canned over an unproven accusation. Those people will never get their reputation back. It's akin to slander and it's an act of the school making a bad situation worse by being a badguy.

[The Happy Friar]

They fired the other people on the idea that they reported to their respective superiors, the respective superior said it will be taken care of properly, it wasn't, they didn't go over their superiors and call the police directly.  That bothers me because they thought they did do the right thing and back then they were told they did.  It's a law in NYS now (assuming other states too) that if you suspect child abuse of any kind any school employee (from super independent to cleaner) must report it to their superior and check to see what the superior did.  If nothing was done by the superior or anyone above them (irregardless if it was found out there was something going on or not) you must then contact law enforcement or you can be fired and charged just like actual person doing the crime.

Schools are just to scared these days about everything.  Can't call it "Christmas Break" or "Christmas Show" because "separation of church and state" but other schools can have off a Muslim or Jewish holiday because they're the predominate religion in the area (and say it's off because of that).  Staff can't give students a ride home because "nobody knows what happened" in the car so the kids word will be taken as truth.  Out of district students are denied because, according to law, if they have complaint about the school the school is guilty until proven innocent and the burden of proof is on the school to prove they didn't "wrong" the child in some way.   Not many districts want to risk paying out of district families large sums of cash in Civil court (much leaner requirements for convection vs a Criminal court).  Schools with high-"minority" populations normally perform lower vs white schools and the solution is to say the whites get more money for their school, the fact that, in general, "minority" parents care less about school as an education system vs a babysitter (which is what most US public schools are being turned in to.  Interesting fact: the county I live in has a population of ~80,000 mostly white (but one of the most successful Indian reservations in the continental USA).  One of the poorest counties in NYS.  Buffalo, NY had ~110,000 blacks, the schools are more up-to-date, newer equipment, bigger budgets, but schools in our county regularly perform better then a Buffalo school with a fraction of the budged).

Schools, in general, are pretty liberal so they'd rather screw the "problem" child/employee vs get the truth.  In a way they have to be this way because of the laws passed to tell them what to do.

[M1SERY]

I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but I'm pretty ticked off at the typical "Guilty until proven innocent, but we still don't give a rats ass about you" attitude that colleges have.


How many people have lost their jobs over this and it hasn't even gone to trial?

   
Its that Attitude that stops this shit from being reported in the first place. I think Penn State officials did all they could and should of done after  these serious allegations came  forward. Fire the entire fucking football system for all i give a shit. Lets remember that a one time coach and charitable leader,  was butt fucking boys in a shower. I have no time to sit back and worry about the innocents of some pedophile who was catered to and allowed to have pre teen boys in the shower at PENN STATE FUCKING UNIVERSITY of all places.
This guy gas already admitted to showering with 10 year old boys touching them  on the leg and whipping towels in some sick effort to horse around or whatever. This guy is guilty by his own admissions, he was accused prior of far more serious allegations. Either way you cut this cake it ends with some faggot (bundle of sticks) butt fucking boys for 20 years or more inside and out of Penn State University . I think this is one case where all the fine details mean very little, I would shoot the fucker today if given the chance .

[peewee_RotA]

I'm pretty sure he's guilty, but I'm pretty ticked off at the typical "Guilty until proven innocent, but we still don't give a rats ass about you" attitude that colleges have.


How many people have lost their jobs over this and it hasn't even gone to trial?

   
Its that Attitude that stops this shit from being reported in the first place. I think Penn State officials did all they could and should of done after  these serious allegations came  forward. Fire the entire fucking football system for all i give a shit. Lets remember that a one time coach and charitable leader,  was butt fucking boys in a shower. I have no time to sit back and worry about the innocents of some pedophile who was catered to and allowed to have pre teen boys in the shower at PENN STATE FUCKING UNIVERSITY of all places.
This guy gas already admitted to showering with 10 year old boys touching them  on the leg and whipping towels in some sick effort to horse around or whatever. This guy is guilty by his own admissions, he was accused prior of far more serious allegations. Either way you cut this cake it ends with some faggot (bundle of sticks) butt fucking boys for 20 years or more inside and out of Penn State University . I think this is one case where all the fine details mean very little, I would shoot the fucker today if given the chance .

Didn't he admit to all that AFTER the firings? 

Imagine if your boss was accused of something, and regardless of his innocence, you were fired. Is it ok then?

[|iR|Focalor]

It comes down to money and reputation, peewee. But mostly, it comes down to money since the bad reputation part equates to less income for the school. Believe it or not, some kids will decide to attend one school over another simply because they like the sports program, even though that kid has no chance of being IN the sports program. The reason Penn State has kept Joe Paterno around as long as they have is the same reason they fired him now: tradition and reputation.

These people aren't fools. If Sandusky is coming out and making comments that "it was a mistake to shower with boys,... but I never did anything wrong in the shower.", then obviously he DID do something. There's no reason for a coach to be taking shower along side his players, EVER. Maybe he'll be in the locker room at half time talking to his players, maybe he'll poke his head into the shower area and say, "HURRY THE HELL UP, WE GOT A GAME!", but he'll NEVER take a shower WITH them. Him saying that he did take a shower with them but never touched anyone is pretty much proof enough that he's full of shit. Obviously someone has proof that he was naked in the showers with them. Admitting that "fact" publicly is intended to try and establish some credibility and garner trust for when he claims, "but I didn't touch anyone."

Furthermore, it was obviously public knowledge that Joe Paterno did know something about the incident and didn't go directly to law enforcement with it. That in and of itself poses as liability to the school. The school, as a business, will always do everything they can to distance themselves as far as possible from any and all liability.

At the time, maybe he had no clue as to whether the allegations were truth or lies. Perhaps the football staff was fine with trying to keep it under the radar. That makes sense for the school. Why come out and declare that one of your own has done such a horrible thing and tarnish your reputation when you don't have to, especially if people aren't sure that what someone is being accused of isn't just some kid with a malicious grudge against the school. In that sense, maybe Joe Paterno thought he was doing the right thing for his school. But now that it's come out, the school can't possibly allow him to stay around. That would only allow for someone else to later claim that the school supported what happened and open themselves up to further disgrace and possible lawsuits.

[|iR|Focalor]

Also...

I wish this shit would finally go the fuck away. I'm sick and tired of turning on ESPN to watch games and only hearing about some dude with pedophilia. I don't watch the all sports network so I can hear about kid-fucking, I watch ESPN so I can watch FUCKING FOOTBALL GAMES. The other night I was watching Georgia Tech play Virginia Tech, they spent maybe 40 seconds right after half time talking about the current game they were supposed to be covering, and the rest of the time they just talked about the Penn State bullshit. No recaps of key plays in the first half, no coach interviews, no previews of upcoming games that weekend, JUST CHILD MOLESTING.

Yeah, it's fucking horrible terrible and whatever. But I watch ESPN for sports. If I want shit about people commiting crimes against humanity, I'll turn on one of the fucking news channels.

For fuck's sake ESPN, can we get back to FOOTBALL? Please!?!

[The Happy Friar]

For fuck's sake ESPN, can we get back to FOOTBALL? Please!?!

That's like saying MTV should go back to music.   

[|iR|Focalor]

No, MTV should just go to hell.

[peewee_RotA]

No, MTV should just go to hell.

 

[reaper]

The thing to be ticked off about is that they had knowledge of a criminal act and did nothing. They covered it up and didn't report it to law enforcement for investigation. They were protecting the reputation of the coaches and the school over the protection of (alleged) victims. Now they pay the price for those decisions.

I agree with this, but what I read is the head coach reported the incident to the appropriate authority in the school.

[haunted]

A few comments...

Firing everyone is really the best thing penn state could do.

I know it as the athletic director and the head of their school of business to technically lied to the grand jury(said it was just horseplay with sandusky)........ paterno sure as hell didn't say something on the lines of "If you guys aren't going to do something about this, then I will"... same goes for that other asst. Coach. If it's true that he walked in on that brutal sodomizing of an 11 year old boy yet didn't do anything about it.. he's just a pathetic man.