Another Suspicious Wallhacker

[basic1nstinct]

Man I miss the forum on few days because I play q4. I played with haunted a few times and I dont think he cheats. He is a good hpb with nice jumps. I wish he play q4 with me so he can't jump

[haunted]

thanks to all who stuck up for me 

[DEMOn]

Haven't watched Haunted's demo yet, but as for Ax2grind... I have played him for years now.  There are times he seems to be one step ahead of everyone, but I don't see anything clearly damning in that demo.
His gameplay is very solid... and it is very obvious he knows the maps he plays really well. 
As with most stable, high-skilled players, all you have to do is rattle their comfort zone and you can beat him.   Now, granted, that doesn't happen easily or often with a player like Ax2grind.   
There's a different 'grey' skill that comes with FFA playing that is different than 1x1 playing.... If it was somehow possible to arrange a true FFA tournament, I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Elysium or Ax2grind beat even the pro-bracket players.(not to say that E and A aren't pro-bracket players, I was just making a point.)

[PANTONE 7717C]

Def, I enjoy playing him too 'cause I like the challenge. In fact I only like to play on mutant or dm when he is playing there. I know and recognize his playstyle by now and yes even with my 130 ping I can give him a hard time. There's no reason for me to post a demo from my fov where I'm keeping up with him, I'm only interested in trying to see what he's seeing. No matter how much experience you have, you can't always be one step ahead, especially in tight corridor/maze maps, maps in which he excels for some reason.
(btw, I thought this thread was the right place to bring this up, I'm not starting a thread to show a little demo unless it is solid proof.)

[the Crazed]

Haunted... I thought you were getting broadband..?  I wanna see you compete at low ping 

[adrenal1ne]

figured ud guys would enjoy this one..if theres ever a demo that looks like im cheating i think its this one..was 3rd map in clutch-gaming tourney semi-finals i believe..vs kaitech aerowalk :x nerves were so shot..check me out.

[haunted]

i was but i got screwed over.. long story haha.. but i will definitely have it in uhh... 7 months anyways, ill have a t3 connection at college

ps. adren hacks

[adrenal1ne]

    DOH.

[DEMOn]

I will say that the Haunted demo does look suspicious.  without more intense analyzation, it isn't convincing.  It would help if I was used to watching him play.

[digency]

Actually its his style.. the way he plays that look suspcious. oh well.  if most people think hes legit then he must be legit.

[[BTF]Defiant!]

My gut was to defend Ax, but when watching closer my opinion changed (assuming the guy in the demo is him):

http://tastyspleen.net/quake/forums/index.php?topic=1172.msg26720#msg26720

Def

[titties]

i watched the haunted demo...and im pretty convinced he walls.....im assuming that with a 200 ping you also get delays in sound...so how are sounds really helping him (or relative to someone with a 40 ping)

[deft]

you've obviously never played as a hpb..sounds aren't delayed, you see people as they are, your shot is delayed, and your movement..i.e. sometimes you're through a door way, but to others you aren't yet. Playing as a HPB isn't hard at all when you're used to it, I played with a 28k for around 3 years, had a 300+ ping..if you aren't a good hpb you won't be a good lpb, it's annoying watching you guys stress over ping issues when they really aren't a big deal if you know what you're doing, as for haunted walling..HIGHLY unlikely.  Why don't you put yourself into a hpb's shoes..your shots are delayed..which means you can't just wait for sounds to tell you they are right by a door way, because if you do, they'll already be in and raping you.  With high ping you have to anticipate so much more..you guys should go buy a 56k and play with it for a few weeks and then watch his demos..half the shit you do as an hpb is spam based on sounds and opponent knowledge, playing as an hpb isn't knowing where your opponent is, it's knowing where they aren't for the most part, it's a defensive game.  Besides, why stress over who's cheating and who isnt?  The game is 8 years old with a million hacks and no up to date cheat protection, i mean, banning 1 person is like banning 5% of the community.

[[BTF] Reflex]

I like going overseas for ffa instagib,

[console]

Besides, why stress over who's cheating and who isnt?  The game is 8 years old with a million hacks and no up to date cheat protection, i mean, banning 1 person is like banning 5% of the community.

Yes, stress doesn't sound good.  In the words of the swamp castle baron in the Holy Grail, "This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who...!"

Still I feel we have to draw the line somewhere (cf. BEENO or even chalupa) and it's no fun to imagine how much bickering would ensue in a fuzzy system where some cheating was allowed as long as it wasn't too much cheating.

Anyway I'm just speaking generally.  We'll try not to stress over cheaters but I don't see why if people want to say "no cheating on these servers because we want to play a fair game against human opponents" they shouldn't expect to be able to lay that out as a policy and attempt to enforce it - even in an era lacking up-to-date anti-cheat clients, etc.