Why I'm an Atheist

[Arm0r]

Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Christianity

Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise.  Many of these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953).  I have lifted the text of these from the soc.religion.christian newsgroup's Hitler FAQ.
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is  Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots (bundles of sticks)? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea."  (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."  (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics."  (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

[Tubby]

Ok ArmOr, let's take all that and refer it to another simple fact: Most religious people (not just Christians) take what suits them from their religious texts and disregard the rest - as you suggest Hitler did.

For example, many - not all - Christians will frequently cite such things as birth control, homosexuality, and women's rights as being 'contradictory to Bible teachings', while prefering to ignore those other examples of Bible teachings which I cited above (post #200).

So, what gives modern Christians the mandate to select which parts of the Bible to preach, promote, and impose - and which parts to ignore?

And are they any better than Hitler himself for doing this?

[haunted]

Haunted, you say I'm 'generalising' about a group of people. Well, I asked for Christians to reply to this post because, as I understand it, Christians, by definition, refer to the Bible as the primary repository of their faith. Also many Christians do in fact take many parts of the Bible literally (I was raised in the Roman Catholic faith). So why can they pick and choose which parts to take literally and which parts to quietly sweep under the carpet and hope nobody sees?

I know plenty of catholics, including my father/girlfriend's family.. none of them take the bible literally like that. Just you throwing bullshit into this thread as usual. Even if you were raised catholic, and to take the bible 100% literally, you are still generalizing them ASSUMING that they were raised similar to these bullshit views of yours.

And besides, I'm not lumping all Christians together as you say - if you read my post again you'll see that I asked if there were any Christians here who could answer it.

Yes you are, you lump EVERYONE together. You have been called out now more than 5 times on this thread for generalizing groups of people. Btw, I like how you underlined/italicized if when you didn't even use the word originally. Really smooth, I don't think anyone noticed.

Of course I'm not actually expecting any real reply beyond being accused of Christian-bashing - or the other favourite cop-out; "we can never hope to understand God's ways..."

Once again, why would anyone actually WANT to worship this god? At least please tell me that much.

Again, not every religious person resorts to explaining everything by remaining ignorant to god's purpose. Again, you generalize.

I don't think you'll find even the most ardent Atheist wishing that much hate, death, and destruction upon his fellow men, women, and children.

And here you are generalizing again, as if christians seek to destroy all like you're suggesting. There are christian murderers, jewish murderers, atheist murderers, islamic murderers.... Wanna know what they have in common? Not that they read the bible.. that they are ALL murderers.

[Whirlingdervish]

If Catholics actually took 100% of the bible 100% literally, there would be no Catholic Church, no need for priests to intercede on your behalf (christ already did the job perfectly so what do we need to take our sins to an imperfect priest for?) and there would have been no Holocaust, no Inquisition, no anglicanism, no lutheranism and there would be no Pope and no images of Jesus in a tortilla springing up in rural spanish speaking countries.

let's take all that and refer it to another simple fact: Most religious people (not just Christians) take what suits them from their religious texts and disregard the rest - as you suggest Hitler did.

That's an assumption that something you pulled from your ass is a fact.
Most of the world consists of religious people (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html) so using the application of Occam's razor, we can remove the term "religious" from the equation entirely and instead state:
"Most PEOPLE take what suits them...blah blah blahddy blah"

Religion has fuckall to do with it, people being people is the problem.

Btw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Way to go, predictable troll! You win the prize.

[Tubby]

Haunted, you keep accusing me of 'generalising'. Ok, please tell me how I can refer to a group of persons who hold a particular set of beliefs without 'generalising' or causing offense.

Btw, why are you so offended by me using the term 'Christians' anyway? Is it maybe that deep down you know what I'm saying has merit but you just can't bring yourself to accept it?

Also, I know that not all religious people take their religious texts 100% literally (although many do). I think I've made a reasonable effort in my previous posts to indicate that I accept this.

Finally, I apologise for inserting that if you referred to - My bad. I guess I didn't refer back to the actual wording of my original post as I should have done. Sorry.

[fdrjk]

I was here when this thread was just a baby.

Now it's grown into a full grown flame war! They grow up so fast.

[Tubby]

Religion has fuckall to do with it, people being people is the problem.

I think that statement has merit, Dervish. Trouble is, religion can't exist without people...

But what I'm really still waiting for is someone to answer what I was hoping might be a fairly simple question: Why would anyone actually WANT to worship this god?

[haunted]

Haunted, you keep accusing me of 'generalising'. Ok, please tell me how I can refer to a group of persons who hold a particular set of beliefs without 'generalising' or causing offense.

Btw, why are you so offended by me using the term 'Christians' anyway? Is it maybe that deep down you know what I'm saying has merit but you just can't bring yourself to accept it?

What I said has nothing to do with the term "christians". That makes this part of your post an ignorant, irrelevant pile of horse shit.

Also, I know that not all religious people take their religious texts 100% literally (although many do). I think I've made a reasonable effort in my previous posts to indicate that I accept this.

Finally, I apologise for inserting that if you referred to - My bad. I guess I didn't refer back to the actual wording of my original post as I should have done. Sorry.

No you have not made an effort. If you made an effort to do this, then you would THINK before you post.


So basically your response pointed out nothing, as usual.

[Tubby]

Wow, you're really getting hot under the collar there, Haunted.

Now I'm starting to understand how people with one set of beliefs can resort to violence, hatred, and - presumably as the ultimate conclusion - slaughter of people who hold a different set of beliefs.

Thanks for that insight, Haunted. I'm really starting to understand how religion works now.

[Whirlingdervish]

Way to go, predictable troll! You win the prize.

[Tubby]

Ok, just to reiterate a little here; there are two simple questions I have which I would really like someone of religious belief to answer:


1. Why do you continue to persist in the belief of a supernatural deity when all current scientific evidence (not to mention common sense) points to the non-existence of such a deity?

2. Why, even if such a deity does exist, would you want to worship a god that promotes violence, anger, and hatred towards the people he calls his 'children'?


I've had a lot of negative feedback from asking such questions, and not one positive attempt to answer them. If a religious person can't answer such basic questions as these, how can he or she possibly justify his or her religious belief?

[haunted]

Wow, you're really getting hot under the collar there, Haunted.

Now I'm starting to understand how people with one set of beliefs can resort to violence, hatred, and - presumably as the ultimate conclusion - slaughter of people who hold a different set of beliefs.

Thanks for that insight, Haunted. I'm really starting to understand how religion works now.

I can't stand organized religion... So again, another ignorant/irrelevant response of yours. You are on quite some streak now.

[Laurelin]

of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe;

That's what supernatural means. Your question answers itself I think.

[Whirlingdervish]

Ok, just to reiterate a little here; there are two simple questions I have which I would really like someone of religious belief to answer:


1. Why do you continue to persist in the belief of a supernatural deity when all current scientific evidence (not to mention common sense) points to the non-existence of such a deity?

2. Why, even if such a deity does exist, would you want to worship a god that promotes violence, anger, and hatred towards the people he calls his 'children'?

1. "All Current" scientific evidence does not point to the non-existence of a deity. That would be impossible, since science does not prove the nonexistence of anything. It simply fails to point to evidence of the existence of a deity.

There is a difference, and that difference has already been explained to you in this thread. This difference is apparently the basis for your inability to understand the scientific method.

2.  Since you can't even prove a God exists, how can you prove what he or she promotes? Your first point, if true, renders your second point completely fucktarded and nonsensical.


You will not respond to this because it makes sense, and you would prefer to persist with your childish trolling routine.
Using a bunch of stupid loaded questions, that are actually just statements you want to repeat ad nausuem, will not get you answers that will end this farce.

Have fun with the neverending non-debate.

 

[|iR|Focalor]

1. Why do you continue to persist in the belief of a supernatural deity when all current scientific evidence (not to mention common sense) points to the non-existence of such a deity?

Because I am a brainwashed christian, but you already knew this.

2. Why, even if such a deity does exist, would you want to worship a god that promotes violence, anger, and hatred towards the people he calls his 'children'?

Man, you stumped me (a christian ) there. Christians have been reading the Holy Bible for a thousand years and we ( ) all somehow missed all the parts that say "I AM GOD AND VIOLENCE ANGER AND HATRED TOWARDS EVERYONE IS AWESOME, NOW GO FORTH AND RAISE HELL AND KILL EVERYONE... unless its the Sabbath." But I guess that would be easy to miss with all of the New Testament scriptures explicitly quoting Jesus Christ as saying the exact opposite.

Get over your hatred of Christians, bud. If you don't like Christians, don't be one.