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Re: This is why government healthcare is bad
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2009, 04:04:33 AM »
a little off-topic..

I started getting free insurance 2 weeks ago. Was paying 128ish a month, then a little over 2 weeks ago my dad got a letter in the mail from the union he is affiliated in atm (NJ I think) stating that any sibling of his that's a full-time student and under 23 is eligible for total coverage. A few days later I received a hospitalization card(50$ MRI, 50$ ER, 15$ X-RAYS, etc...), a prescription card, and a dental card. I've never even had dental insurance until now... lol. Although I'll only have this for a year and a half or maybe more, I forget if it's 23 and under or under 23, I'm still lucky to have it. I already canceled my bluecross.
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Re: This is why government healthcare is bad
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2009, 05:47:10 PM »
Not sibling. Your dad's siblings are his brothers or sisters. You are his dependent if you live at home or are a full time student and he pays more than 50% of your tuition.... something like that. Not picking nits but it just bothered me enough to write something.
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2009, 09:27:53 AM »
Hmm... I pay for my tuition(840$), but I put it on his C/C and gave him the money? I'm an independent student......... i've put it on paper a few times, idk though. Maybe he listed me as a dependent somehow. I'm not in his household. I haven't seen my dad in 5-6 months.
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Re: This is why government healthcare is bad
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2009, 10:12:29 AM »
Gotta screw the system if you can. Ain't no shame in that game. It'll screw you eventually. :afro:
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« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2009, 11:51:05 AM »
The problem with heathcare in America, and I suppose to some extent elsewhere, is that we already let private insurance companies dictate to us what they will pay for. The plan is also not portable, change employers, change plan. So you end up essentially locked into your health care and employment. Lose one, lose the other. It would be nice to have a cheap safety net. Who in their right minds thinks it's a good bargain to pay money to someone who tells you how much you need to pay and will then turn around and tell you how much medical treatment you need?

Unfortunately, the Socialists in the Federal Government seem to feel the only way to provide this safety net is to write a complex "law" with penalties, punative measures and mandatory "options" requiring every citizen to participate in a system that the congress and senate won't require of themselves. Hypocrisy, plain and simple. On top of that, they intend to provide the same care provided to paying citizens at no cost to people who have entered the country illegally. It's one thing to provide it, de facto, in mandatory emergency room care centers, it's quite another thing to create an entitlement in law.

Social Security was supposed to be a safety net for all working Americans. Now the congress has robbed the system to pay for other things and the SS system is "going broke", the fact we are all living longer didn't help either. But Big Government has proved that they are irresponsible guardians of "our" money and that BG is nothing but waste, fraud and abuse and more BG can only mean more waste, fraud and abuse of public resources.

You only have to look at the FEMA fiasco and Katrina recovery in New Orleans to see that BG is not the answer to every problem. I can even point to an insurance company whose executives decided that FEMA was price insensitive and they could charge a higher rate, at greater profit, for disaster services charged to FEMA than they could charge to local authorities for the same services. Result: Work through FEMA with less oversight and questioning of the billing rather than for the local municipalities where the work would have been more effective.

Americans, disenchanted with Big Government (if they were ever enchanted), have had it with their "representatives" and their self-serving hypocrisy and greed.
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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2009, 07:55:07 AM »
Here is a video that I think puts some of this into perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg&feature=player_embedded

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Re: This is why government healthcare is bad
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2009, 08:41:14 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2009, 12:23:05 PM »
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Unfortunately, the Socialists[/i] in the Federal Government seem to feel the only way to provide this safety net is to write a complex "law" with penalties, punative measures and mandatory "options" requiring every citizen to participate in a system that the congress and senate won't require of themselves.

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« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2009, 08:05:43 PM »
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« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2009, 06:23:57 AM »
That guy being interviewed made a KEY point at the end.

In effect, this is how a liberal democrat sounds when playing this card:
 
"Jesus told folks to care for the poor. I think we should all be more like him and seek socialized healthcare. I'm a liberal democrat and don't believe that Jesus is any more important than any other religious figurehead, but for the sake of injecting guilt and weight into my argument, I'm going to momentarily act as though I believe that Jesus was a great and wonderful guy... but be aware that tomorrow I will bash the Holy Bible once again and call it radical religious insanity when I seek to make the opponents of abortion look like villains."
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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2009, 07:42:34 AM »
Here is a video that I think puts some of this into perspective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg&feature=player_embedded



LOL @ video...

cant believe people take this crap as a video with good arguments... This video takes one side, the bad, and doesnt look at the causes and solutions. This reporters story is total show journalism, what we call "journalisme à senstations" here in Canada...

1. "When government takes charges, innovation stops..." lol@you mustach man, innovation wont stop in the US or any civilized country... dumb ass
2. "Dental health care, people pull their own tooths and so on..." first of all, dental care is not covered here in Canada by the government... Ive seen people suffer horribly, wanting to remove their bad tooth with home made tools... Why? BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE MONEY/INSURANCE TO COVER FOR THIS. Meaning you have more problems if your not covered by government/insurance. This journalist is a moron.
3. "People line up for care, some of them die, thats what happens..." once again, this argument is ridiculous compared to people that dont have insurance. What do you think happens to someone that DOESNT HAVE HEALTH CARE? oh he survives miracalusly by the touch of your GREAT god, saviour of all americans.... BS again.... Id rather wait for something, than having NOTHING.
4. "You wanna see your neurologist, no problem, you just have to wait six months..." This problem in Canada is because many doctors are looking to make more money, and in the states, they make more money. We lose doctors because of that, because of differences in moral values of each of our governments. This issue would be resolved easily if salaries were similar in the US. Flaws in our system are because of insurance companies/doctors in the US for profits, not health CARE...
5. "Youll wait an average 23 hours in an emergency room" This is in an hospital, in clinics (there are around 30-50 clinics in a city of 150 000 people here in Quebec), its about 1-3 hours of waiting. Once again here, the hospital problem is caused by the fact that we have a lack of doctors here because of our south profit making health systems...
6. "1.7 millions canadians cant get a family doctor, others must wait" ditto, and maybe others must wait, but they still can go see the doctor anytime they want, im one of these canadians that doesnt have a family doctor, but ive always received care any time i needed.....
7. "Nathasha Richardson died because there was no high tech equipment 100 miles away" .... What do you expect moron, she was in a ski trip 100 of miles away from a metropolitan area, IN THE WILD!!!... What a stupid argument that makes no sense at all.....
8. "Its that pursuit of profit that gives us innovations that saves lives..." Like there are no other solutions to that? Do you really think innovation would stop??? Universities, research labs, high tech companies around the world would still continue to do research, as we do here in canada. Do you think we create with sticks and rocks? We do have innovation here too that has impact all around the world, the same would still apply to the US...
9. "Research is profit driven, cures for this and that are based on reawards..." Well look at that, we will stop doing research all around the world for a better life if the US has health care. lol....cmon.... you can do better than that mr mustach
10. "4% of drugs are government responsabilities" Do you think the drugs we pay are covered by the health care in Canada? No they are not, meaning the drug companies will still make profit as they would without a health care. Cant believe this video...

Anyways, this reporter is total crap, he even compares apples with oranges at the end by comparing pet health care to human health care. His arguments are total shit, once again, it proves by the high rating of this video how people are ignorant and living in a bubble that is totally isolated from the rest of the world. Do some proper research and you will find things that will surprise you and may change your opinion for something thats based of good morals, not money..... wow lol
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« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2009, 06:56:14 AM »
So your argument is that a for-profit system sucks doctors out of the non-profit system in Canada? hmmmm.... for-profit means more doctors, more care. Non profit means fewer doctors, less care. Thanks, you have just summarized the entire reason against government run health care. Oh, and the part about Canadian doctors migrating to the US to make more money? This means the US must DOWNGRADE it's health care system to be the same as Canada because we need to dis-incentivise doctor migration? Please!

Natasha Richardson died because she decided not to seek immediate medical care and be transported until she was much worse than she was immediately after the accident. She put off the decision until it was too late.

The comparison to pet clinics is that people will spend their own money (no health insurance for pets) for their pets sooner than they will for themselves. Result: more clinics, more high-tech equipment, more availability, better care, sooner. Follow the money.

The expectation is that insurance covers all costs. There is nothing preventing anyone from spending their own money outside the insurance system on better care for themselves, (e.g., all the people cited in the video who come to the US for major surgery). Catastrophic care is expensive and will break most people, this is what insurance should be all about. But when people are inhibited from spending more, as when government controls the amount of money spent, then resources become scarce and people seek care elsewhere. What happens when there isn't an "elsewhere" anymore?
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« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2009, 08:37:55 AM »
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« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2009, 06:55:54 PM »
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