Why stay sober when you're me?

[haunted]

I don't do any drugs anymore aside from weed really. I even quit smoking cigarettes for the most part a year ago. However I do still love marijuana. it has both positive and negative affects on me..it's like a typical love story. Marijane and I have a love-hate relationship.

[travolta]

I use marijuana to control my homophobia.

[DaHanG]

So how do I, a person who regularly drinks, smokes marijuana, eats mushrooms, occasionally does the oh so popular stimulants, succeed? How do I rise to the top? How do I 'abuse' drugs and alcohol, complete college with a 3.8 gpa, land a 55k+ job at 24, find a potential new job paying even MORE, home owner at 26, debt free, etc...etc... how do I go on and succeed while others doing the same shit as me, drag behind and fall. I've never once had help from family, everything I've done in life I've done on my own, everything I've done, I've done while taking drugs and alcohol. Am I going to die young? Most likely... but shit, I did alright.

Not sure how much you paid for your home but if you have a mortgage on that home you are not "debt free". At 55k a year you will be lucky to survive in this economy. 55k is not the top unless it's the top dishwasher at Branson. Congratulations at being in the middle of middle-class America.

I wonder what happened in your childhood that you feel you had no support from your family and feel the need now to self-medicate every evening in order to reflect and cope with your daily life and why you feel the need to enter a co-dependent relationship with your "depressed", ADD fiance. It's possible she's been mis-diagnosed since depression can be a rather temporary condition and a neurosis rather than a permanent label. There are lots of psychologists who are quick at applying labels and prescribing medications. Depression is treatable.

As for the assertion that you're different and can handle drugs and alcohol: Call back in 5 years and let us know how your disease is progressing. If you're treating the people in your life and workplace the way you are ranting here I estimate you will be jobless and homeless in about that time. BTW, use birth control, I would hate to have to pay more taxes to support your kids who will be unwanted and unloved in the "debt-free" home you have created. You will probably be carrying a cardboard sign on the offramp by the time you are 35 looking like 55. The world is full of people who claim to be different and claim to be able to use mind altering drugs on a daily basis; they are called addicts.

I don't know if this was meant to be funny but I cracked up....

[QwazyWabbit]

Absolutely. Glad you enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed writing it.

[haunted]

I think you were a little harsh on jager qwazy lol. I don't think jager is saying "if I was sober all the time I would have equal opportunity for success in my life than doing a variety of drugs all the time"....although it's possible even haha. Most likely, if jager was sober 100% of the time, he would have had a slightly better gpa and fulfill his potential with whatever he does, a little bit more..even if he's successful and content. What he's saying is that he gets the job done and is exceptional with whatever he does even in between having fun(being intoxicated is fun, imo!). Wouldn't the world be a better place if all drug-users had this ability?

All i do is smoke and drink these days though.

[QwazyWabbit]

I don't think I was being too harsh. I was being deliberately sarcastic with a bit of irony. I have had a nice job since 24 and have never been unemployed even through many layoffs and mergers and uncountable corporate presidents who were going to do great things, etc. but merely made pronouncements from their lofty offices and bailed out with their golden parachutes at the first opportunity. It took me 24 years to pay off a mortgage on a single income and I am truly debt free with a free and clear home and I know mortgages today are not like the fixed one I had. I don't know how anyone on only 55k income can pay off any sizable mortgage in a few years. Many people are just a few payments away from foreclosure. A 55k income these days wouldn't even be able to get financing in the area I live.

At 26-27 and nearly married it's time to grow up and be a man. Being a man means you can achieve and be happy without daily use of drugs or booze. Life is not a frat party. Yes, it's nice to pop a beer and vegetate in front of the TV at the end of the day but there is a difference between doing that and needing to do that and the line can be crossed before you realize it. If a certain level of achievement makes you content then that's fine too, but don't expect more when you are functionally impaired. The "I'm unique, I can handle this shit." mentality is characteristic of addict behavior.

As for using MJ or any of the other "controlled" substances, that's your business, but realize that all it will take is one accident at work and a failed piss test to alter your job status and career plans for a long time. They may not be able to fire you on the first instance but it puts you on the watch list and takes you off the promotion list. A second incident after rehab might land you in the unemployment lines and then you become a public problem. I've seen it happen to a few people. Many companies have a zero-tolerance policy. If you are high at work and an accident occurs where you are involved the company will terminate you. They have two justifications: 1. You are a hazard to yourself and others. 2. You cost the company money and they can be sued if they don't act to stop you. They don't have to send you to rehab.

My job takes me around the country and I have seen careers dead-end because of irresponsible attitudes or the "I can handle it" attitude. But I work in the manufacturing sector, a declining form of business in this country. The rules are obviously different in places like the banking sector where you can nearly bankrupt a company, get millions of people into financial trouble, cause a cascade of foreclosures and unemployment and still collect a 50% bonus for all the fine work you did.

Just a perspective from one who was 25 a long time ago and is too young to retire and too old to matter. If I had enough money in the bank I'd resign and never pay income taxes again, I'd sit in front of the big screen and pop beers, watch TV and putter in the yard and on the computer all day. Maybe get some diving in. The rest of the time I'd grumble about the young pups that ain't got no respect and no sense of responsibility.

[reaper]

As for using MJ or any of the other "controlled" substances, that's your business, but realize that all it will take is one accident at work and a failed piss test to alter your job status and career plans for a long time. They may not be able to fire you on the first instance but it puts you on the watch list and takes you off the promotion list.

This may be true, but it doesn't mean it's not a sad state of affairs.  Personally I use drug testing as a criteria to eliminate employers.  I'd much rather have some personal freedom than more job options at this point, and for the past 10 years.  Of course the same "conservatives" preech personal freedom, yet want to take my freedoms away.  A big thank you to Mr. Carlin for making such good jokes about the matter.  But I forget, smoking a joint is a danger to society, I digress.

oh yeah, and hey assholes, i'm going to keep smoking the shit, along with tens of millions of others, you might want to try to prevent people getting killed over it.

Jager may be able to handle things ok now, maybe even in the future, but that doesn't change what I said earlier.  And it is probably not good  to be doing drugs and drinking around your fiance, if she has mental problems.  Drugs is the last thing someone in that state needs.  They are a coping mechanism, and not a very good one at that.

I say that because I hope things work out.

[Arm0r]

I drink, have for years.

I puff, again, have for years.

I do fine for myself and my family, and I indulge alot in what I want to do--im a generally happy person besides the usual life woes, bills and such but who doesn't have em?     I don't drink/smoke to escape shit, I drink/smoke to get fucked up--what Jager was trying to say was he takes a smililar path, he indulges in what he likes and is still a productive member of society...I personally think that is something to clap for these days.

When I was in my teens I used to work at a grocery store, id ring people up mostly and bag, I have to say when you whitness someone buy all their food with foodstamps then pull out a wad of hundreds to buy their cartons of cigarettes you get sick of it--these people indulge in everything and people like Qwazy try to tell me what I do in my spare time is bad??--I work in construction now and still dealing with the same bullshit, over worried customers, etc so when I get home I do as I like, I don't get fucked up at work or before, just after..and if I do so and you think less of me for it then you can pretty much suck a flock of cocks.

[QwazyWabbit]

...I have to say when you whitness [sic] someone buy all their food with foodstamps ...

...and people like Qwazy try to tell me what I do in my spare time is bad??

Where did I say that?

--I work in construction now and still dealing with the same bullshit, over worried customers, etc so when I get home I do as I like, I don't get fucked up at work or before, just after..and if I do so and you think less of me for it then you can pretty much suck a flock of cocks.

Did I use your name or address you specifically? Where did I make any judgement about it? I said there are consequences for it imposed by your employer.  (Unless you have one that doesn't care.) I also said the employer will impose those consequences, I never said anything about my judgement on it but I have seen it all in action at the places I have been and I have seen people lose their jobs. I bear witness to the facts.

As for the consequences, the employer will impose them according to the pressure placed on him by his insurance carrier or his shareholders, since an employer can be sued for sustaining preventable losses due to drug use in his workplace or lose his insurance and his ability to do business. Nevermind the legality of the drug or the competence of the individual, an employer is liable for the actions of his workers and they will not expose themselves to liability if they don't have to. In the current work environment a hung-over or buzzed employee is a liability and there are plenty of others out there who are willing to take his place.

You are the judge of your own condition and needs, if that's what you want then have at it.

[{TNP}Dukie]

I agree with everything Jaeger posted in his first post...up to a point.

Until one of the people in your family becomes one of those people  who let drugs destroy your family then everything changes.

[BIG DICK RICK]

rofl jager...I never thought I'd find myself agreeing to what you say but what you posted is hilariously true.  I find myself more or less laughing at these people who whine about their 'conditions' more than anything.  They use their conditions as bait for sympathy fishing from other people.  My little brother has ADD/Depression, so yes I know what these things are about.

[jägermonsta]

rofl @ reaper & QwazyWabbit, great example of people living boring lives trying to drag ya down a notch cause you're so happy. Don't hate me because I get more outta life than you with all the past and sure future success I will experience.  Live a little, or maybe you just wouldn't be able to handle it. Ahh well, continue on with your drone lives. I feel for ya... ehh obviously I don't. I'm sorry I'm better than you.

 

[jägermonsta]

I think you were a little harsh on jager qwazy lol. I don't think jager is saying "if I was sober all the time I would have equal opportunity for success in my life than doing a variety of drugs all the time"....although it's possible even haha. Most likely, if jager was sober 100% of the time, he would have had a slightly better gpa and fulfill his potential with whatever he does, a little bit more..even if he's successful and content. What he's saying is that he gets the job done and is exceptional with whatever he does even in between having fun(being intoxicated is fun, imo!). Wouldn't the world be a better place if all drug-users had this ability?

All i do is smoke and drink these days though.

Point is.

Sober or not I would still succeed because I'm able to handle and use to my advantage what drags others down into the gutter. People like QwazyWabbit are certain that anyone who drinks or does drugs will never succeed. I post this to inform people like himself, that isn't true. DARE really did a number on his neglected mind.

[paradisel0st]

...I have to say when you whitness [sic] someone buy all their food with foodstamps ...

...and people like Qwazy try to tell me what I do in my spare time is bad??

Where did I say that?

--I work in construction now and still dealing with the same bullshit, over worried customers, etc so when I get home I do as I like, I don't get fucked up at work or before, just after..and if I do so and you think less of me for it then you can pretty much suck a flock of cocks.

Did I use your name or address you specifically? Where did I make any judgement about it? I said there are consequences for it imposed by your employer.  (Unless you have one that doesn't care.) I also said the employer will impose those consequences, I never said anything about my judgement on it but I have seen it all in action at the places I have been and I have seen people lose their jobs. I bear witness to the facts.

As for the consequences, the employer will impose them according to the pressure placed on him by his insurance carrier or his shareholders, since an employer can be sued for sustaining preventable losses due to drug use in his workplace or lose his insurance and his ability to do business. Nevermind the legality of the drug or the competence of the individual, an employer is liable for the actions of his workers and they will not expose themselves to liability if they don't have to. In the current work environment a hung-over or buzzed employee is a liability and there are plenty of others out there who are willing to take his place.

You are the judge of your own condition and needs, if that's what you want then have at it.

[metaL]

Jager not everyone can find success the same way you did under those conditions.  I'm glad that you're doing well.

I'm about to take a long break from the green and cut back some (how much, we'll see) on drinking.  The past 5 years have been rough on the liver I'm sure.