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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 07:57:12 PM »
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Re: marijuana
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2009, 05:41:25 PM »
wouldn't have to bring as much into the states from south of the border...

Contrary to what "some people" may say, the majority of marijuana sold illegally in the US is actually grown right here in the US. A lot of times the larger growing operations are backed by foreign cartels who USED to ship it into the states but got sick and tired of the risk and loss of profits by losing 1/4 to 1/3 of all their loads shipping it by water, across borders in cars, or by private airplanes. These days they are spending all that money they would have lost when customs or the coast guard found their shit... on lots of workers, miles and miles of PVC pipe and pesticides, and having those workers construct hidden means to divert water from rivers and lakes to largely inaccessible areas of national forests where they grow it on federal land. Now you'd think that's an INSANE idea, growing it on federal land which makes the charges exponentially worse if you're caught... however, the DEA doesn't monitor those areas by surveillance choppers near as much as they do private land. Yosimite National Forest produces more marijuana than you could shake a brick at. The government has only recently learned of such things after teams of DNR officers have found several old growing sites surrounded by lots of dead wildlife and polluted water leftover from the pesticides used to keep the plants from being destroyed. These organizations send out teams of heavily armed men for about a month at a time to backpack through the rough terrain to the sites where they maintain and guard the plants. At harvest time, they pack it all up in their backpacks and haul it on foot back to trucks and vans where they move it to safehouses to await distribution. And marijuana isn't the ONLY thing they're growing out there.

I dunno about the tax side of it,  unless growing your own was illegal as well.

IF it were completely legalized, growing it would not necessarily be illegal. If a person were to grow a small amount for personal usage, that would probably be okay. If a person were to grow large quantities for sales and distribution, that would probably be against the law. I believe growing tobacco is pretty much the same way. If you have a tobacco farm that sells its harvest to a major tobacco company like Phillip Morris, you have to pay certain taxes and keep detailed records of everything you grow. You have certain guidelines pertaining to where you can plant, how much room you must have to grow it (often you must a specified minimal buffer zone between the plants and any other vegetation), what kind of fertilizers and pesticides you can use, etc etc. If you were grow lots of tobacco and sell it yourself, you would be able to sell it for a LOT less than a pack of smokes at the gas station because there were taxes involved. And of course Uncle Sam can't have any competition in HIS free market. He's the King Shit Capo, and come hell or high water he WILL get a piece of your action.

That's why I am 100% AGAINST legalizing it. I'm all FOR decriminalizing it, but I don't trust our illustrious government to dictate how it can be grown. They will tax the living shit out of it until no one can afford it. They will probably allow the FDA to add all kinds of additives which would be far more harmful that the carcinogenic chemicals already found in it. I would assume that they would actually LOWER the standards for growing it, seeing as how they do such a fine job of regulating how the alcoholic beverage industry uses sub-par techniques and additives in their brewing and vat cleaning processes... which coincidentally is why I always prefer German-Bavarian imports who are held to much higher standards of quality. They have recently passed legislation allowing the FDA to regulate how tobacco (ideally, cigarettes) is manufactured. But mark my words, you can bet your sweet aunt Selma's moley ass they will NOT change one damn thing about how they use ammonia additives which cause nicotine to be vaporized and therefore become more rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream (often referred to as "free-base nicotine").

That's one thing I find incredibly hypocritical. They will tell you that it's horrible to smoke and it's horrible how the cigarette companies are creating cigarettes genetically designed to be more addictive. They will bash the cigarette companies for using addiction as a means to profit off of other humans. But then the government taxes the living shit out of the cigarettes to gain a profit too, because they know that these people are addicted and will continue to smoke and be a steady source of income for them. They can shine their good-guy badges by telling everyone that nicotine is so bad, and then make fucking BANK with an alligator smile off the same drug they claim to hate.
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Re: marijuana
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2012, 11:54:37 PM »
So you want your dope legalized? It would appear as though the next generation of young Americans are doing their part to help de-stigmatize it's usage. Sooner or later, these kids will be voting. A promising sign for you tokers. 8)

http://news.yahoo.com/cdc-more-us-teens-smoke-marijuana-cigarettes-220759702.html
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2012, 01:14:26 PM »
TBH I don't think pot will ever be legalized no matter even if 90% of the people voted YES to legalize it.  I mean sure on a state level, maybe...but that doesn't mean shit on the Federal level.  They will NEVER legalize it, and here's why:

About 50% of all the money that goes into the prison and probation system is derived from marijuana charges.  That means about 50% of the jobs are derived from it.  That also means about 50% of the jails being built are meant for this as well.  This means if pot were legalized, half of our prison industry would be kaput, meaning layoffs on all levels (prison guards, probation officers, judges, DA's, etc.).  Also, what most people don't know is that a large proportion of stocks and bonds are tied up in the prison industry, especially in private prisons (which there are many).

In fact, just recently some stock brokers on Wall St. were bitching about how people aren't being arrested and locked up FAST ENOUGH to pay for their prisons which they built ahead of time to lock up pot smokers!  Think about that.  Scum who already have millions/billions are whining that the prisons they built aren't being loaded up fast enough with people who don't deserve to be there in the first place.

That's why I HIGHLY doubt marijuana will ever be legalized on the overall (Federal) level in the U.S.  It's like the health care industry...will the U.S. ever have free health care for all?  Of course not, absolutely NO.  Why?  Because there's simply too much money involved in keeping the status quo, FAR more money than could possibly be derived from going the other direction.

The same is true with marijuana:  The amount of money they could make selling it PALES in comparison to the amount they make on locking people up, and putting them on probation for it.

There's a reason why the U.S. is #1 in the world for locking people up, highest incarceration rate AND highest prison population.  It's because the government knows it makes MONEY!!!!!!!
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Re: marijuana
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 08:41:56 PM »
All drugs should be legal (under varying degrees of regulations, ranging from like alcohol/tobacco to much stricter; not a free-for-all).

It's not a question of whether drugs are good or bad, it's a question of whether prohibition makes society better or worse. And it's quite clear that prohibition makes things worse.
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Re: marijuana
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2014, 04:43:02 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/2-states-challenge-colorado-marijuana-legalization-205235212.html

Way to go, Nebraska and Oklahoma. Don't try to hide how you're shaking down Colorado like some 2-bit hood simply because you see a way to make easy money off your neighbor while allowing you to neglect addressing your own fucking failures at keeping a budget.

Which brings me to another point... not really related... but still related since it deals with government budgeting failures and corruption.

DUI's and the police. The police say "don't drink and drive." But if everyone actually did that, these motherfuckers would ALL be out of business in 3 months tops. If you actually knew the real figures behind DUI arrests and how much money they rake in because of them, it would make you sick. The majority of their funding comes from it. Let that sink in.
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2014, 02:07:24 PM »
It only makes sense to legalize it. Unfortunately, we still have quite a few grandmas that think bud = satan and a few grandpas actually in charge of shit (think Jerry Brown) but thank Allah's rotten cunt they're all about to expire soon. The other issue is a lot of young people aren't voting and yet another issue here in CA is that growers don't want it to be legal because they will lose money. Fuck your greedy stoner ass - go get a real job like the rest of us and let us legalize it already. I heard somewhere that CA might legalize it in 2016. Let's cross our fingers!
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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2014, 10:34:23 AM »
...and yet another issue here in CA is that growers don't want it to be legal because they will lose money.

Well this is sort of why I'm against 100% legalization. Not because it'll make black market sales all but disappear, but because government regulation and taxation will drive the price through the stratosphere. Just like they've done with tobacco, any time they start creating another trend where they're spending more than they're collecting, they'll refuse to intelligently evaluate their budgets and instead elect to simply raise some kind of luxury tax on a commodity like tobacco or pot, which people AREN'T willing to stop using just because the price goes up. And with tobacco, nicotine is one of the most addictive substances on earth. Of course people are still gonna buy it. With pot, it might not be physically addictive like nicotine, but daily pot users exhibit addictive behavior tendencies towards the substance. A perfect example... some of these stoners, if they run out and start calling everyone they know to re-up and no one has any, but find out through a friend of a friend of a friend that this ONE GUY has a little, go meet him, find out that he wants 80 bucks for an 8th of some seedy sticked-up bullshit that he's got the balls to call "mids", they'll usually fucking PAY IT because they'd rather get totally screwed than spend a weekend without any. Addictive behavior tendency right there. And if you let these state legislators start getting into the game, they're gonna be setting ridiculous prices like that across the board just because they aren't willing trim the fat from the budget or eliminate stupid pork barrel projects that they got wheeled and dealed into by lobbyists with bulging envelopes of cash. Unless something changes, it's always gonna be this way. And they have no reason to want to change it on their own. They get paid bribes and gifts from lobbyists, and when shit doesn't fit in the budget, they just send everyone else the bill for it by raising taxes. Why not, it's not like they really look at us as human beings or worrying about us doing anything about it. We're all just crops on a cash farm to them. They feed us bullshit, and we keep producing income for them.
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2014, 12:15:09 PM »
...and yet another issue here in CA is that growers don't want it to be legal because they will lose money.

Well this is sort of why I'm against 100% legalization. Not because it'll make black market sales all but disappear, but because government regulation and taxation will drive the price through the stratosphere.
I have a friend in WA. Prices did rise there but not "through the stratosphere." However, there will always be the cheaper black market alternative so who gives a fuck? As long as possession and growing is legal we'll be good.
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2016, 07:01:38 AM »
Meanwhile in Britain! Still a class B, no plans to review or move to a health over a criminal issue. The only way I see that happening is by the Labour party winning the next election, with Jeremy Corbyn spearheading it. He's the only politician in recent years to show any interest in applying common sense to the never ending issue of marijuana legality. David Nutt tried, as some of you may remember (if anyone followed UK politics of course), and that didn't work out too well for him.

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