naymlis vs ah! q2rdm2 Feb 2009

[orudie]

uploaded to youtube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpmiO0hlzb4

if your computer can handle it, you can watch it in High Def. Just click the 'watch in HD' button on the lower right.

[[BTF]Jehar]

Sweet link, just what I needed today to cool my nerves. Thanks!

[hieronymous]

Thanks for posting

that said;

you tube sucks even in high def

and that was the spammiest , sloppiest game of q2rdm2 I have ever watched

[BasterMate]

and that was the spammiest , sloppiest game of q2rdm2 I have ever watched

 
Just curious hiero, have you seen many skillful rdm2 duels? I beg to differ with your opinion, in terms of context. Naym actually played very conservatively, running a familiar pattern given pb's defensive style. Dealing with each adjective separately:

sloppiest: Naym molded his rdm2 (and much of his q2 dueling) style on Scandie players who traditionally dominate this map. His jumps are crisp, his movement efficient. In fact in this demo, he displays a professional textbook offense[used correctly here since he's previously played Quake for money]on this map. Which leads into the next rebuttal...

spammiest: Chastity comprises two large areas, cornered by YAs. When controlling the map you necessarily spam the YAs from the near-mega position with rox and intermittent slugs -- again, a textbook offensive style when controlling. In fact, I would say Naym fired no more rox than any first-tier regular euro/scandie rdm2 dueler.

 
I've repeated this truism before in other demo threads(and very much on display in this pov):

"Your primary goal in a duel is to whore and gather armors, health, weaps and ammo in exactly that order of priority. If your opponent gets in the way of that objective AND you're prepared to frag 'em -- then go for the point; the 'win' will take care of itself."

p.s.  Orudie for taking the time&effort getting q2 out to the broader entertain'osphere -- reTRO gamAHZ!

[[BTF] Reflex]

"special thanks to Wallfly[BZZZ]"     

[reaper]

Thanks for posting

that said;

you tube sucks even in high def

and that was the spammiest , sloppiest game of q2rdm2 I have ever watched

You do know these are the top NA  players?

edit: nice youtube link!!

[Sgt. Dick]

You do know these are the top NA  players?

Top NA players, that's why Razor wasn't mentioned 

[hieronymous]

Thanks for posting

that said;

you tube sucks even in high def

and that was the spammiest , sloppiest game of q2rdm2 I have ever watched

You do know these are the top NA  players?

edit: nice youtube link!!

depends on where you make the cutoff

I would say that ah and naymlis don't play religious enough to be at the top of their game.

[reaper]

You do know these are the top NA  players?

edit: nice youtube link!!

depends on where you make the cutoff

I would say that ah and naymlis don't play religious enough to be at the top of their game.

What does that have to do with ah and naymlis being the best players in NA?  These guys are easily in the top ten players, It's not like anyone else can beat them because they don't play as much.  Unless you wanna bring up players like Thresh, which don't play, so i'm not sure he should be in the running, and if he came back, the top players have a lot of practice in at this game, so I don't think he'd win.

I thought it was a good game, Ah got caught using rail close up, and naymlis had a nice strategy. 

[hieronymous]

and that was the spammiest , sloppiest game of q2rdm2 I have ever watched

 
Just curious hiero, have you seen many skillful rdm2 duels? I beg to differ with your opinion, in terms of context. Naym actually played very conservatively, running a familiar pattern given pb's defensive style. Dealing with each adjective separately:

sloppiest: Naym molded his rdm2 (and much of his q2 dueling) style on Scandie players who traditionally dominate this map. His jumps are crisp, his movement efficient. In fact in this demo, he displays a professional textbook offense[used correctly here since he's previously played Quake for money]on this map. Which leads into the next rebuttal...

spammiest: Chastity comprises two large areas, cornered by YAs. When controlling the map you necessarily spam the YAs from the near-mega position with rox and intermittent slugs -- again, a textbook offensive style when controlling. In fact, I would say Naym fired no more rox than any first-tier regular euro/scandie rdm2 dueler.

 
I've repeated this truism before in other demo threads(and very much on display in this pov):

"Your primary goal in a duel is to whore and gather armors, health, weaps and ammo in exactly that order of priority. If your opponent gets in the way of that objective AND you're prepared to frag 'em -- then go for the point; the 'win' will take care of itself."

p.s.  Orudie for taking the time&effort getting q2 out to the broader entertain'osphere -- reTRO gamAHZ!

I do know of what i speak   -- "spectator 1"

but in all fairness

both make it look easier than it is

with some expert movement  and knowledge around the map ( and some nice hits )  -- but you would have to admit there is far too much spamming at openings and lazy play ( not cat and mouse just plain non aggressive) and for players of this calibur there should be at least something extraordinary . 

maybe I am just spoiled by Damiah's unmatched skill on this map

[hieronymous]

Thanks for posting

that said;

you tube sucks even in high def

and that was the spammiest , sloppiest game of q2rdm2 I have ever watched

You do know these are the top NA  players?

edit: nice youtube link!!

doesn't say much for NA   does it

[BasterMate]

-- but you would have to admit there is far too much spamming at openings and lazy play[/size]( not cat and mouse just plain non aggressive) and for players of this calibur there should be at least something extraordinary[/size] . 

maybe I am just spoiled by Damiah's unmatched skill on this map

 
Bigger picture here: Neither naymlis or pb uploaded their non-official, non-tournament, friendly demos -- Orudie voluntarily cammed and u/l'ed it to youtube, which is GREAT like I previously said: Expand q2's audience with a fast-moving player on an exciting map.
 

Even if you're using the Damiah pov as the benchmark for rdm2 demo appraisal, I still stand by my original analysis and summary. Pretty good considering that Naymlis plays(has played) q2, qw, warsow, cpma q3 and q4 at or near a professional level; whereas Damiah is strictly a q2 player, right? Comparing PLAYERS is not my point here -- comparing demos is, e.g.,

Take Assasin's recent rdm2 match over Careem: Ass is a very active, seasoned, top-tier q2 player...but his pov remarkably resembles Naym's pov...AND coincidentally, ah!'s known for pesky rg/ssg as is Careem. Watch both demos and compare, even though friendly duels widely differ from the official tournament variety.
 

Lastly hiero, ya I'm spectator -- Gravgon would never send me my forgotten password for my old DS account "GYN"...what's your name there? (btw don't bother with the NA player ad hominems; trolling here with that kind of bait is like fishing with dynamite..zzzz...)

[reaper]

doesn't say much for NA   does it

 

[playboy]

hax!

[Arm0r]

Thanks for posting

that said;

you tube sucks even in high def

and that was the spammiest , sloppiest game of q2rdm2 I have ever watched

You do know these are the top NA  players?

edit: nice youtube link!!

doesn't say much for NA   does it

considering either would rape you silly with minimal (if any) effort...ya