the ethics of quake 2 tourney, and quake 2 in general

[10zx]

play only TDM for a few months and you're grasp the concept of it.

that's my advice

[banes]

I agree with Trip in the sense that it would be pretty easy to have different Tourney round-robins.  Someone somewhere arbitrarily decided what the rules were for this or that style of play.  Don't get locked in.   There's no Quake diety that will frown upon anyone (although there are some mere mortals who apparently think they are dieties, but that's another matter, lol) for having a "modified" tournament where this or that might not be available as far as weapons, powerups, health, etc.  are concerned.

But you may very well find some surprises when the rules are changed up, and different strategies must be employed to adapt.   

thats cool that you agree with trip, too bad trip never said anything about ease of holding different tourneys or if they would be round robin or not, im glad your reading comprehension is up to par

well our quake tourney is based around how the pros play, not how the newbs play, was thresh not a q2 1v1er, is quakecon this year not being held for q2 1v1

when it comes down to it, our tournament was not set up around an arbitrary set of rules, its basically just dm, except with only two people on the map, and weapons stay off(almost like vanilla), like qcon, quakecon is id's official tourney, thresh is the official michael jordan of q2, you can go too ogl and cpl and probably find other style tourneys, but this being our first tourney, why not make it based on the pro model, we can have a ra2 tournament later, and all those who complained about this tourney i am sure will still get smoked

the only surprise would be if you did well in any form of tournament we hold, btw stay in the hi guys thread, id hate to think i chased you out of yet another thread, then again it is hard to argue with as much reason (which is why you never really did)

[TriP^K][L^]

lol maybe I used the word assholes too casually. I didn't mean to insult tourney players, and what I really meant was that the style of play was frustrating to me.

I used to street race a lot, and I never gave a shit about winning, it was all about having an even race and then pushing myself to win.... If my car was noticably faster than the opponents, I'd give him a half second start or so

I'm not saying go easy on me, but I always thought there were unspoken rules of respect to every game in order to give the losing team a fair chance...I mean how often do you beat someone 20 to 5 and say....good game....yet it's a good game if you beat them by like 20-15 or so because there's more action and good fights.
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I guess I understand controlling the map...etc...I think I'm just not used to people caring so much about winning. Like I said before, why ruin a good fight for an extra point? Who gives a shit if someone else gets the frag or not. I get kicks out of good fights, and amusing circumstances...not by being slaughtered with no weapon.

Sure that's part of the game, whatever.

to you pure skill is only dodging and aiming, but those are just the tools you use, however without knowing how to use your tools, youre screwed, map control and all the elements that come with it (the inverse as well of regaining control) are how you use that tool, you can have the sharpest sword in the world, but it woudlnt make a difference if you didnt know how to wield it, q2 1v1 is about skill AND strategy, not just one or the other, you need balance, which is what q2 1v1 brings, i dont see what is unbalanced about it, id like you to explain what you meant by that

Skill to me is dodging and aiming yes, so are using the elements of the map...etc........but not if the same map is played over and over again. In other words, a  decent player is someone that can be dropped into a completely unknown map and do well...

The the 1v1 game i played with laurelin...those were great games....and 2 of 3 of them were very close, until the 3rd which was the edge...(i beat him only on 1st, then sudden death on 2nd, then asskicking on 3rd....

Ever noticed how I always get my ass kicked on the edge, yet on the custom maps I do much better?

Nothing is wrong with the edge (except that it's the most overplayed map ever), but it's nice to have new, level playing fields. I honestly think the tourney server should have mapvote with all tastyspleens map selection.

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Skill to me is dodging and aiming yes, so are using the elements of the map...etc........but not if the same map is played over and over again. In other words, a  decent player is someone that can be dropped into a completely unknown map and do well...

youre wrong about that, when you said what i quoted which has formed the basis of this thread, you were in ztn2dm2, vs graphite, who had only played on that map about 4-5 times, if it was edge i could give you some leway with that statement, but not ztn2dm2

[TriP^K][L^]

I made the initial statements in that map because he got like 5 spawn kills and probably more typing kills....and then after each kill he would say "SKILL!!"


..As far as taking advantage of the map..etc.....I was referring to tourney in general..

Anyway, that small technicality doesn't negate my statement

[banes]

I made the initial statements in that map because he got like 5 spawn kills and probably more typing kills....and then after each kill he would say "SKILL!!"


..As far as taking advantage of the map..etc.....I was referring to tourney in general..

Anyway, that small technicality doesn't negate my statement

haha he only started saying skill after his kills AFTER you made those statements, and you would say sometihng else after you die too, and he would be like NAH skill

[HabibGoatAss]

Guys -

Take your thumbs off the tip . . .

[seanikai]

I guess it's cuz I never play the game to win, just to have fun...so when someone ruins a potentially awesome railgun fight by railing me when I'm weaponless, running toward the rail.....AND they have like 200 armor and health...lol....It just seems like its defeating the purpose of the game....

I think tourney should be set up with no armor, no megahealth, and weapons stay. To me, that's pure skill....

why don't you just go play ra2? some say thats pure skill, I think it's more "pure aim" persoanally (I say that because most ra2 players trying to play gx end up looking stupid, and if they were so skilled then why do they lose lol) but if you want a mod with no item/weapon spawns and everyone has the same weapons to start there by making it more "even" rocket arena is where you need to go. I think you fail to realize the skill in gx is being able to take the map back once someone has all the guns + armor + mega, not simply just collecting all the items.