=Ds= EDGE MADHOUSE [66.165.122.53:27910] - Bad Server Protection

[jeet]

To whom it may concerm,

My handle is jeet and I've been getting booted from the =Ds= EDGE MADHOUSE FFA server due to some FrkQ2 check I'm apparently not passing. Before I continue, I just want it stated for the record:

1) I've never ONCE been kicked for this reason by any other server.
2) I do not use the FrkQ2 client nor do I have it anywhere on my hard drive.
3) I have never appeared on any FrkQ2 list provided by any server admin.

All that aside, I believe a few weeks ago I finally stumbled onto the reason for this unfortunate business. The following steps will recreate the false positive error in the cheat protection logic:

1) Open up Q2Advance 1.0 Beta 4 or 5. It can be found at http://www.q2players.org.
2) Connect to any Quake2 server. It actually doesn't matter. In my case, I used Assassin's GXMod or TDM.
3) From that server, connect to the =Ds= EDGE MADHOUSE FFA server.

You will notice that, shortly after you've connected, you will get a FrkQ2 error and then the server will boot you for allegedly using a "modified client" that is considered a cheat.

Please fix this error as it's causing me to have to answer questions that have no business being asked. I'm not a cheater and I can prove it to anyone, anytime, anywhere. When I play on that server, I generally finish in the top three everytime guaranteed. This is due to pure talent and experience. Plain and simple.


P.S. - I'm having to create this post because I'm simply getting nowhere using the IRC channel. No offense but you admins need to be more responsive.

[[BTF]adam]

I tried this, And i got through to Ds EDGE MADHOUSE With no problem, And yeah im running q2Advance version 5, you sure yer not a frkq2-er? (jk)

[console]

P.S. - I'm having to create this post because I'm simply getting nowhere using the IRC channel. No offense but you admins need to be more responsive.

Hi, and welcome to tastyspleen.

Sorry to hear of your troubles - unfortunately, we have no jurisdiction over the =Ds= EDGE MADHOUSE FFA server.

BTW, we've seen something possibly similar to what you describe on our own servers.  We had a frkq2 check that began to fire erroneously - and it turned out that people using a certain client, would connect to a server running a specific version of q2admin... then they'd come to a tastyspleen server straight from there without quitting q2.  An interaction with the previous server's q2admin, and their client, resulted in a cvar being set to a strange value, that tripped the aforementioned frkq2 check.  We ultimately had to remove that check, because this problem made it useless.

I dunno for sure if this is the same problem - but it certainly seems pretty similar.

Try the steps to recreate it again, but before you connect to the EDGE MADHOUSE server, check whether you have a frkq2 cvar set to "disconnect".

Q2A apparently has a bug in its stufftext variable expansion code.  It behaves differently than other clients, as I recall.  The problem we had, is we were checking for a specific cvar, say $frkq2boobies ... and Q2A was spitting out "disconnectboobies"... when it should have printed nothing.

Erm... well hope this helps - good luck !

Regards,

[Shovel.Ds]

hiya jeet, you are correct about your findings, thats why you havnt been banned along with a few others for this.

Yes we use the same command checks as assasins,

I saw these logs and noticed that the few players logged for the same command checks are also tdmer's that play at assasins and I knew we do the same checks....so I figured that it was a problem with players leaving assasins after being stuffed the command checks and then connecting to our server and getting the same commands checks stuffed....

I would imagine that this would also happen in reverse, have you tried connecting to assasins from our server? just wondering.

We do do one other check that assasins dosnt...and it is foolproof, so if I see that command check logged, that player will surely be banned and many have but you and the few others that logged those commands from assasins have not been banned for this exact reason.

You must have thought we run a lame server for not banning you for those logs, but this is not the case here, I spend alot of time keeping an eye on the server and the logs and do not take cheaters lightly, so I promise you if I thought you were cheating from those logs I would have banned you, and be assured that if you logged the other command check that is foolproof then you would be banned.

As far as I know, only the DS servers and H2O servers do this foolproof check...I think H2O does it  because I gave Dog the cvar to check for the other day.

Thats why nobody knew anything about this when you asked them, because I have been keeping an eye on this problem and came to the same conclusion as you.

How it works is, you join assasins and get stuffed commands to see if you are cheating, now those commands are loaded into your game dll, then you connect directly from there to DS and q2admin does the same checks and detects those stuffed commands from assasins and kicks you.

Not much can be done about this and I know it is a pain in the ass but the only thing I can think of to remedy this is to exit cleanly from servers and then connect to the next server.

It has also crossed my mind about it being q2a clients that are having this problem..I have to do some more research into the logs and see if it only q2a clients that this is happening to.

So if anyone gives ya any more crap about this just direct them to this post.

[Shovel.Ds]

BTW, jeet...it isnt BAD SERVER PROTECTION at all...actually its the best server protection...wouldnt bad server protection be the opposite and let cheaters thru...its just something you have to work around, or dont play there, simple.

would you rather have no protection...I doubt it, then again maybe you would.

but I dont appreciate you saying we have BAD SERVER PROTECTION, I never went around saying "jeet cheats I have logs to prove it" without knowing the facts...

so to you I say

[Shovel.Ds]

No...Console, say its not true, now there is a hack for boobies...dang, first implants, now hacks..when will it ever end

[X'tyfe]

iv had problems connecting to that server too
i think its a bug in the new egl tho   that makes it incompatible with q2admin

q2admin will disconnect and reconnect you to check for cheats
well, it sends me into an infinite loop